[Albion] Nutty Rules for Attending the Amex

[Guinness Boy]

I noticed this when I got on at Portslade, the Portsmouth service was absolutely rammed with Day Trippers it’s always a busy line on a Saturday so I can see that being a issue, I don’t think it helps that the West Worthing services have been cancelled as a Covid measure

For league games we're going to group up to make a four with my mate and his son who are our "bubble" anyway. He normally drives to Brighton and then we train from there. I think we'll have to stick to that. With 6-7000 crowds to start with it should be easy enough to distance a train queue. Falmer station was fine - we stayed in our seats till it was safe to leave, had a pint and then ended up on the same train back as the mates we'd accidentally bumped into (not literally!) on the way over. Very, very easy to distance.

I can imagine some of the London/Brighton trains are quite packed as well.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What a terrible way to treat a 9 year old kid. Not necessarily blaming the person implementing the rules, more those responsible for drafting them. Covid has affected all our lives massively in negative ways and by and large people have accepted what we have been asked to forgo and sacrifice with stoicism and understanding. But when you start turning 9 year old kids away from a football match running at 8% capacity with people not even allowed to sit side-by-side you realise how shit this all is and it won’t be long before people start saying enough is enough. Insane.

The terms and conditions weren’t really up for debate though. The club needed to show the Government that it could and would implement the conditions set. If these conditions were not strictly enforced then the whole event would not have passed the test and we would not be able to move to the next stage of more fans in the ground. This is a classic example of the need for everyone to look at the bigger picture.

 

[drew]

Yes but they have no way of knowing that is that persons child, without some check. I am sure this is part of the government stipulation for allowing the game with crowds to go ahead. Al the Kids going in around us had photo ID. #Modernlifeisrubish Just the world they live in now.

Exactly. The person who bought the ticket and ignored the clearly stipulated requirements is 100% at fault. Knowingly put the kid in a bad situation.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The terms and conditions weren’t really up for debate though. The club needed to show the Government that it could and would implement the conditions set. If these conditions were not strictly enforced then the whole event would not have passed the test and we would not be able to move to the next stage of more fans in the ground. This is a classic example of the need for everyone to look at the bigger picture.

This. It's a real shame for the kid(s) but this was not a normal matchday. This was a test event aimed at highlighting what worked and what didn't work. In fact PB acknowledged in his post-match comments that one of the issues highlighted was that of young kids with no photo id. They'll work that one through, and tho it caused some real pain yesterday for a small number of small people, they'll come up with an improved workaround for next time. Barber IN!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Unacceptable. A bit of common sense would go a long way in situations like this.

Common sense, you say?

I assume that all the other kids who were let in had photo id, because the parents had read the instructions, or were all the kids that attended turned away?

Harry Cripps indeed. I smell Millwall.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Oh. Well, yes I understand what you are saying. How sad and policed our lives have become in such a short space of time. I take my kids to restaurants (well, ok, Pizza Hut but it’s almost a restaurant) and do the T and T thing without having to prove they are my kids. I guess if we just accept these rules we have no one to blame but ourselves ultimately. I think common sense and some trust needs to be applied now, but I’m not a government scientist or Minister.

Pizza Hut are not under the strict rules the Amex was yesterday. Albion are trying to work towards getting us back in the ground. They need to ensure they follow the rules before they can start making it more relaxed. Its emotive to say 9 year stopped from watching the game yesterday, but everyone was sent an e-mail outlining the rules and how they would be enforced.

They sold 2,500 tickets and the attendance was 2,524 so it looked like everyone plus some got in.

 

[SavBlanc]

What I do think they will have a problem with if they continue with the photo ID matching the ticket is that many many families have, say, 2 tickets and take it in turns to take one of their children or something. I know that is supposedly against the rules (never used to be but it is now). How is that going to work? When I bought our season tickets it was never bought to my attention that the person attending HAD to be the named season ticket holder. Although I have since seen it on line in the terms and conditions.
Additionally, my brother in law, bought 2 tickets when the Amex first opened, both in his name. He was then contacted in 2016 saying that he had to have them in 2 different names. He said, ok, I'll put the other one in my wife's name but is it ok if sometimes my daughters use it. Yes was the answer. Unfortunately, he does not have that in writing.....
Its going to cause a lot of problems with many fans...

 

[Bozza]

What I do think they will have a problem with if they continue with the photo ID matching the ticket is that many many families have, say, 2 tickets and take it in turns to take one of their children or something. I know that is supposedly against the rules (never used to be but it is now). How is that going to work? When I bought our season tickets it was never bought to my attention that the person attending HAD to be the named season ticket holder. Although I have since seen it on line in the terms and conditions.
Additionally, my brother in law, bought 2 tickets when the Amex first opened, both in his name. He was then contacted in 2016 saying that he had to have them in 2 different names. He said, ok, I'll put the other one in my wife's name but is it ok if sometimes my daughters use it. Yes was the answer. Unfortunately, he does not have that in writing.....
Its going to cause a lot of problems with many fans...

You will have agreed to all manner of Ts&Cs when you bought your season tickets. You probably didn't read them - most of us don't.

But it's always been the case that named ticket holders have to attend. It's literally against the law for someone to transfer their ticket to someone else, even if there is no reciprocal financial side to the transaction. Now, as you say, the club have always turned a blind eye to such sharing, although a cynic may suggest that it would be impractical for the club to enforce this.

For now, it's quite clear that named ticket holders will have to use tickets when held (won in ballots) - 1901 may be the exception to this.

I understand your concern as my children "share" one ticket as my daughter doesn't live with me, and the season ticket is in her name. She'll come to games when they land on weekends when she is with me but if she's not, my son will generally come.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I bought a BHAFC bag two years ago from the club shop. I took it to Wembley last year, which passed their test so it is A4 size.

I do agree that same households should be able to sit together. I wouldn't want to go with children and have to space them out 4 seats apart. What happens if a child runs to its parent for something? Do they both get escorted out by stewards?

My kids - more space the better!!

Rule is fine by me!!

 

[beorhthelm]

This. It's a real shame for the kid(s) but this was not a normal matchday. This was a test event aimed at highlighting what worked and what didn't work. In fact PB acknowledged in his post-match comments that one of the issues highlighted was that of young kids with no photo id. They'll work that one through, and tho it caused some real pain yesterday for a small number of small people, they'll come up with an improved workaround for next time. Barber IN!

trouble is will those setting rules take it onboard and change them? its pretty obvious problem, most children dont have any form of formal ID, im not sure there is any other than passport. if they didnt see fit to recognise the problem, i dont expect them to change it.

 

[e77]

Worst bit for me was the 1050 Durrington - Falmer train I got in so I could get some stuff for Record Store Day from Resident Records pre match. Didn't really want to take a seat next to someone I didn't know so it meant a few more people than normal standing up. Couldn't see anyone else obviously going to match in my carriage so it was mainly day-trippers, some of which stretched the not having to wear facemasks thing when drinking as they had some tins on the go for the whole journey.

Brighton to Falmer train at 1311 was half empty so fine. My concern is this might be a restricting factor in getting more people in the ground as nit everyone can drive and the coaches are likely to be very expensive when they return.

Going in I had to show my ID (Driving License) and ticket on my phone to the fist security guy who made me pull my mask down. I then had to stop to put my mask up for the next security person which caused a slight delay (was also carrying a small bag which mean I needed three sets of hands) who scanned me with the wand and beeped for the glasses in my pocket, although I didn't have to take them out. Ticket on my Apple Wallet worked fine on the turnstiles.

I do think this bit needs to be looked at as it does involve taking your mask down near people which somehow doesn't seem right. Also, is there no way of getting your photo on a ticket on your phone?

Concourses were fine for getting food and drink although as has been said elsewhere I am not sure I would want it any busier. As for seating I thought it worked ok (I booked myself the nearest seat available to the aisle).

Got a lift back so can't comment on after match trains.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

trouble is will those setting rules take it onboard and change them? its pretty obvious problem, most children dont have any form of formal ID, im not sure there is any other than passport. if they didnt see fit to recognise the problem, i dont expect them to change it.

Quote taken from PB's post-match comments on the club website:

Barber added: “One small issue that did come up for a few people is that a lot of children do not have photo ID, which we requested when purchasing tickets to help with track and trace. But we know that we can trace children through their parents so that is something to consider for future iterations of the guidelines."

So yes, yes they DID 'see fit to recognise the problem'. Would be amazed if they didn't now address it. Barber IN!

 

[carlzeiss]

You will have agreed to all manner of Ts&Cs when you bought your season tickets. You probably didn't read them - most of us don't.

But it's always been the case that named ticket holders have to attend. It's literally against the law for someone to transfer their ticket to someone else, even if there is no reciprocal financial side to the transaction. Now, as you say, the club have always turned a blind eye to such sharing, although a cynic may suggest that it would be impractical for the club to enforce this.

For now, it's quite clear that named ticket holders will have to use tickets when held (won in ballots) - 1901 may be the exception to this.

I understand your concern as my children "share" one ticket as my daughter doesn't live with me, and the season ticket is in her name. She'll come to games when they land on weekends when she is with me but if she's not, my son will generally come.

If the named ticket holder wishes to attend after winning a ballot but doesn't have a smart phone , will they still be able to get in the stadium ?

 

[Bozza]

If the named ticket holder wishes to attend after winning a ballot but doesn't have a smart phone , will they still be able to get in the stadium ?

Yep - you just print your ticket at home, as many did yesterday.

 

[beorhthelm]

Quote taken from PB's post-match comments on the club website:

Barber added: “One small issue that did come up for a few people is that a lot of children do not have photo ID, which we requested when purchasing tickets to help with track and trace. But we know that we can trace children through their parents so that is something to consider for future iterations of the guidelines."

So yes, yes they DID 'see fit to recognise the problem'. Would be amazed if they didn't now address it. Barber IN!

i mean who ever originally set the rules, they didnt see or act upon the obvious problem.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

i mean who ever originally set the rules, they didnt see or act upon the obvious problem.

I'm pretty sure that the original rules would have been set by hmgov as a baseline and that for this test event the club were forced to just blindly follow them even tho a smart cookie like PB will doubtless have been well aware of issues such as no photo id from the off, even if hmgov weren't. Tho they are aware now, and the next iteration of test events will have refinements. And the iteration after that. Aim being, obviously, to use the feedback to iron out as many issues as possible to allow grounds to open up more fully in October. It's all good

 

[LamieRobertson]

Be interesting to know how people got to the ground....were car parks well used?

 

[beorhthelm]

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Going in I had to show my ID (Driving License) and ticket on my phone to the fist security guy who made me pull my mask down. I then had to stop to put my mask up for the next security person which caused a slight delay (was also carrying a small bag which mean I needed three sets of hands) who scanned me with the wand and beeped for the glasses in my pocket, although I didn't have to take them out. Ticket on my Apple Wallet worked fine on the turnstiles.

im wondering if in this process did anyone check your ticket and ID matched, or did they just check you had ID, let you through. given all tickets are linked to individual, so deal with tracing, i'm wonder why we need to have any ID at all?

 

[Bozza]

im wondering if in this process did anyone check your ticket and ID matched, or did they just check you had ID, let you through. given all tickets are linked to individual, so deal with tracing, i'm wonder why we need to have any ID at all?

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One thing people were asking before the game was photo IDing...

From my experience and seeing those around me, this seemed to be done to 100% of people, adults certainly.

For me the steward seemed happy to check the name on my ID matched the name on my ticket, but others were asked to lower their masks to permit the steward to check their face against their ID.

 

[Bozza]

Be interesting to know how people got to the ground....were car parks well used?

The Bridge looked to have a lot of space in it, relative to a regular game.