spot on. this is exactly why this season has been so painful. watching our own home-grown lads replaced by journey men on fatter wages who offer nothing more but care less. they were OURS and they took us to seventh last season.
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No more talk of wilkins please!!!!!
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spot on. this is exactly why this season has been so painful. watching our own home-grown lads replaced by journey men on fatter wages who offer nothing more but care less. they were OURS and they took us to seventh last season.
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Well obviously you will be moaning but then your monaing now so not much would change.
Heres an idea lets get rid of knight.
And then what
I would suggest in the current climate getting rid of knight would be a total disaster and much more likely to see the end of the club.
I am sick and tired of all the wankers coming on here saying get rid of knight, calling me and others lickers, when all you tossers can do is bitch and moan, i have not read one decent post from the non lickers which puts forward a vaiable different option.
Knight has worked wonders at this club (not spin), have you seen the diggers at falmer, yes he has made mistakes but i for one believe he always act in what he and the board believes is the clubs best interests. And incidentally he obviously has the support of the board, perhaps now our club needs us more than ever and all we seem to want to do is drive out the one man who cares more for the club ( and has invested more time and money) than anyone else alive !!
dougdeep
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90% hindsight. 10% bullshite. Of course it could have been possible that this season would have been a disaster under Wilkins too.
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You should put yours up your arse and never take it out again to save us from your drivel, once again no alternative put forward surprise surprise
dougdeep
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HE HE HE HA HA HA
When do the schools go back?
The only people who are talking about hindsight are those who thought it was a good decision at the time and are now trying to explain away their position.
Another, unrelated, point, it is interesting reading this thread to see how many people still think Knight is still the real power in this club. Maybe he wanted to keep Wilkins and it was the Blooms who wanted to sack him? Who knows? Whilst I don't think Knight's totally blameless I do think it's unfair to lay all the blame for the mismanagement both on and off the field at his door; he has to take the flack as the public face of the club but others are equally culpable.
Yeah, it's turned out great!
BensGrandad
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What I cannot understand is why everybody is saying Wilkins was sacked, which he wasnt. It was considered, by whoever the board or DK that he wasnt suitable as the manager in the long term so he was moved from that position and offered another one within the club. If he was so bad that wouldnt have been offered he would have just been sacked as per all previous managers. What ever he did it couldnt have been that bad. Granted it was unlikelty that he would accept the coaches job but at least it was offered to him.
Guy Fawkes
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I don't get this belief that soome hold that because we finished 7th (abeit along way from 6th place and the play-offs) we would do just as well the following season, when there are countless examples throughout football of teams doing well one season and struggling the next. Thats what sometimes happens in football.
This insistance on being told every little detail of the day to day running of the club is childish and pathetic, and if they are not careful, it could mean that those in charge of the club get fed up with it all, and leave, meaning that the club will then go into administration and out of business.
This insistance on being told every little detail of the day to day running of the club is childish and pathetic, and if they are not careful, it could mean that those in charge of the club get fed up with it all, and leave, meaning that the club will then go into administration and out of business.
Does that mean it's ok that we've been so utterly shit then? I don't think anyone thought the playoffs were guaranteed but with a squad that on paper was/is a lot stronger than last year's, surely it's reasonable to expect better than third from bottom?
To me, this is the bigger issue. Of course I'm curious as to why Wilkins as 'fired', why each member of the board voted in favour of it, but for me the bigger issue is whether or not the board have learned from their mistake.
In another thread someone posted an argus article from shortly after the incident in which Knight is quoted as saying:
“I didn’t believe he would take us forward in the way I wanted the club taken forward. “I can assure you the same decision would have been made by the board, whether we had been promoted or not.”
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This is where knowing why he was removed from his position (it's quicker and easier to say 'fired') would help.
Perhaps they thought he was a great benefit to the team, but Mickey wanted to come back so they either removed Martin Hinshelwood and make MA director of football, or remove Wilkins, and Knight didn't want to upset his friend Martin, so it was a case of jobs for the boys.
I've provided a quote above from Knight suggesting he was the driving force behind 'firing' Wilkins. Perhaps one or more members of the board were unhappy or uneasy with the plans, but seeing he was outnumbered insisted he would only vote in favour (giving knight the ability to protect himself with the unanimous vote) if we offered Dean another position.
(Not saying either were the case, just giving them as a scenario in which they 'fire' Wilkins despite him being good at his job, showing that there are explanations)
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True. But it isn't simply that we haven't been successful this year. It's that we haven't been good.
Every little detail? Come off it! People want an explanation for a major event in the management set up, one that backfired spectacularly.
Someone else was wondering about an important step in the building of the stadium. If that is every little detail of the day to day running of the club, then it must be the most uneventful job ever.
ROSM
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The Argus has subsequently quoted that one of the board spoke out against removing Wilkins but when it came to a vote it was unanimous.
As for Knight's quote - from Day 1 Knight has always personalised statements on behalf of the board. He talks about signing players, he talks about selling players etc etc With this tactic he takes the credit when things go well and the blame when they dont. That's fair.
Although there are some on here who would like him to take the blame and none of the credit.
I'm always sceptical of that argument, since this is football and in football, most people, even chairmen, do not talk in the first person. "We won today", "Our defence was awful", "we're playing at home", "we signed this winger".
But when he is quoted talking in the first person, alongside referring to the board, I just think there's no way he means "the club" or "the board" when he says "I".
Oh come on! Do you REALLY think he'd have accepted it under the circumstances? They KNEW he'd turn it down! It's a bit like your wife bringing home another man and telling you that you haven't got to leave, you can still stay and do all the oddjobs round the house because you're good at them, but the main 'husbandly' duties would now be performed by the new man. Would you stay under those circumstances?
The board replaced him behind his back and then didn't even have the decency to sack him cleanly. Instead they made him an offer which they knew that any man with an ounce of pride and dignity would reject; it was a pathetic attempt to put a figleaf of decency on a sordid affair.