New deal for Ashley Barnes...

[portslade seagull]

Oh dear there are going to be some miffed people on here because of this ...

 

[hans kraay fan club]

For me Barnes offers more than CMS, who is a poor finisher at this level, runs into 'blind alleys', has a poor first touch and offers nothing aerially or defensively. His saving grace is that he harries defences into going long, thus losing possession.

Barnes has an ever improving touch, good vision and awareness of team mates, he is defensively sound and reasonable in the air. He doesn't have the pace of CMS, but positions himself more intelligently.

Barnes every time for me at this level.

Good summation.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Sure and we do need 3, and I'm not sure Becchio is actually better than Barnes so not convinced we need more strikers if we get Ash to sign on

There is a load of guff in this thread, but this smashes it. Becchio is superior to Barnes in every way.

 

[HastingsSeagull]

This.

Contracts mean bugger all in the grand scheme of things. If a Premier club comes calling he will be gone in a shot. Bennett is a good example.

Kind of agree but Bennett is an example of stayed 6 months to help us get promoted and then left (could have gone at Xmas hence went for a Championship club's buying fee not a Prem club's price)

 

[LamieRobertson]

Always wondered. Is your username a misspelt tribute to the great Lammie Robertson or something completely different?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Good, I really like him as a playing and he is a bit of a nutter which I also rather enjoy.

I also like nutters but not the train type.

Ash is magic.

 

[Driver8]

There is a load of guff in this thread, but this smashes it. Becchio is superior to Barnes in every way.

Then why are Norwich looking at Barnes whilst wanting to dump Becchio (Allegedly)?

 

[supaseagull]

We need to swap Barnes for Bennett.

 

[Mackenzie]

Then why are Norwich looking at Barnes whilst wanting to dump Becchio (Allegedly)?

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

CMS has played as a striker only, Barnes has hardly played upfront at all in the last two seasons and I'm not sure the goal stats are that different, we'll have to ask Acker on that one

Definitely going to have to agree to differ on Barnes first touch, I think it has come on in leaps and bounds over the last year. Looks comfortable on the ball and lays off well, the opening goal against Derby being a good example.

Scaring defenders, CMS wins hands down except he's a bit lightweight once he gets in the box. Spends quite a bit of time on his arse arms out appealing for a foul that wasn't

Ashley's stats - http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/97737/ashley-barnes?cc=5739

CMS's stats - http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/15925/cc/5739

Just a snapshot comparison, last season:

Barnes started 29 games (plus sub 10), scored 9 goals from 53 shots (6 shots per goal) of which 24 were on target (accuracy 2.4 shots on target per goal).
CMS started 26 games (plus sub 7), scored 11 goals from 41 shots (4 shots per goal) of which 20 were on target (accuracy 1.8 shots on target per goal).
Ulloa started 19 games (plus sub 1), scored 10 goals from 29 shots (3 shots per goal) of which 11 were on target (accuracy nearly 1 shot on target per goal).

Ashley had 5 credited assists, CMS had one, Leo had 2.

 

[Marshy]

For me Barnes offers more than CMS, who is a poor finisher at this level, runs into 'blind alleys', has a poor first touch and offers nothing aerially or defensively. His saving grace is that he harries defences into going long, thus losing possession.

Barnes has an ever improving touch, good vision and awareness of team mates, he is defensively sound and reasonable in the air. He doesn't have the pace of CMS, but positions himself more intelligently.

Barnes every time for me at this level.

A sound argument, however played up front then I am pretty sure most defenders would rather play against Barnes than CMS

 

[Acker79]

CMS has played as a striker only, Barnes has hardly played upfront at all in the last two seasons and I'm not sure the goal stats are that different, we'll have to ask Acker on that one

I'd have to get on my laptop for the exact figures, but this has come up before, and I believe Ashley edged it 2011/12 and Craig edged it 2912/13 and if you combine both seasons it's much of a muchness. I think much like ankergren and brezovan they have different strengths and weaknesses but overall they result in similar stats.


Regards Ashley's first touch, I never noticed it being particularly poor in 2011/12 but kept seeing a lot of complaints about it so paid particular attention during 2012/13 and either people were overstating it the previous season or it improved significantly because he had a pretty good first touch last year. Sure there were occasions when it wasn't great, when the ball was fizzed at him or he had a lapse or whatever, but generally it was very good, I remember him picking the ball out of the air wonderfully on at least a couple of occasions.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Becchio is superior to Barnes in every way.

I think you'll find Barnes has more international Under-20 caps than Becchio and scored more in 2013.

Please re-asses your statement.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Regards Ashley's first touch, I never noticed it being particularly poor in 2011/12 but kept seeing a lot of complaints about it so paid particular attention during 2012/13 and either people were overstating it the previous season or it improved significantly because he had a pretty good first touch last year. .

No. No. I won't have that for ONE second.

How DARE you suggest people over-exaaggerated a non-existent complaint.

 

[Acker79]

No. No. I won't have that for ONE second.

How DARE you suggest people over-exaaggerated a non-existent complaint.

You're right, I apologise. I forgot where I was for a moment.

 

[severnside gull]

Injury for this weekend coinciding with the increase in interest from other clubs

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Injury for this weekend coinciding with the increase in interest from other clubs

Where did you hear that?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Where did you hear that?

Naylor has said that Barnes hasn't been able to train for 2 days because of a hip injury.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I'd have to get on my laptop for the exact figures, but this has come up before, and I believe Ashley edged it 2011/12 and Craig edged it 2912/13 and if you combine both seasons it's much of a muchness.

Errr... see post 72?

 

[Acker79]

Errr... see post 72?

Post 72 only summarised last seasons, I gave the season before as well. Also, I didn't want icy gull thinking I was ignoring him.