Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[crodonilson]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

 

[dazzer6666]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

Some of those I agree with but

-masks in homes ? Not a hope. Same outdoors when distanced.
-why limit exercise to an hour ? Impossible to police and an unnecessary restriction if people are distanced

What about schools ? Almost certainly the largest source of transmission at the moment. Parents/carers to produce evidence of employment to need to send kids in perhaps.

 

[beorhthelm]

Most infection is from the home?? Not convinced that for those of us minimising social contact outside of household that there is much risk at all from the home. Maybe they are pumping it in through the pipes now though

you arent at much risk if minimising contact. the problem is all those that are not behaving sensibly, and going round peoples homes. a small proportion is from getting at schools, work places and taking home but vast majority of infection is "in the community", nice speak for sods ignoring the rules and popping round friends and family for a chat.

 

[beorhthelm]

I've advocated for a while now masks should be made mandatory in all settings including in homes where one or more members are regularly leaving the home.

and im convinced you've lost the plot.

we cant/dont enforce reasonable rules so there is zero point having further rules that are unpoliceable or enforceable.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I've advocated for a while now masks should be made mandatory in all settings including in homes where one or more members are regularly leaving the home.

The UK doesn’t really enforce its sensible restrictions properly, good luck with that one.

 

[crodonilson]

Some of those I agree with but

-masks in homes ? Not a hope. Same outdoors when distanced.
-why limit exercise to an hour ? Impossible to police and an unnecessary restriction if people are distanced

What about schools ? Almost certainly the largest source of transmission at the moment. Parents/carers to produce evidence of employment to need to send kids in perhaps.

It's hard to police now, but at least if these were set into law those found guilty of not adhering could be heavily prosecuted. Schools are a big problem, I understand patents currently have to provide evidence but the government has increased the key workers. I feel sorry for the teachers having to police kids who should be at home for the next few months with lazy parents.

 

[crodonilson]

and im convinced you've lost the plot.

we cant/dont enforce reasonable rules so there is zero point having further rules that are unpoliceable or enforceable.

We can't enforce many rules now, take the speed limit, many idiots break that daily, but you'd like to think in a time of national crisis most people would stick to sensible laws to mitigate the spread, covid lives a crowd.

 

[dsr-burnley]

We can't enforce many rules now, take the speed limit, many idiots break that daily, but you'd like to think in a time of national crisis most people would stick to sensible laws to mitigate the spread, covid lives a crowd.

They might perhaps stick to sensible rules. Perhaps you could propose some, instead of the nonsense you have been posting? Masks in your own home, indeed.

 

[atomised]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

Good plan for those with no ID. Isolate them further from society and kill them off

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

Pushing Curfews still a thing?

So instead of spreading out people over 24 hours you ram them into 14 hours - How do keyworkers get to work?

Masks out side whilst I am running at 6am with no one else around?

I am not religious in the slightest, but for some people - a lot of older people - places of worship are critical places and also safe places.

 

[beorhthelm]

We can't enforce many rules now, take the speed limit, many idiots break that daily, but you'd like to think in a time of national crisis most people would stick to sensible laws to mitigate the spread, covid lives a crowd.

speed limit is a great analogue. yes some break the limit, vast majority do not. the best way to increase number of follow rule is enforcement, not reducing the limit, which will still be broken. keep the rules sensible, where there are 50 limits on clear dual carriageway, even the rule followers ignore the limit, until they see a camera.

 

[Sussexscots]

I've advocated for a while now masks should be made mandatory in all settings including in homes where one or more members are regularly leaving the home.

Is there a single area of peoples lives you don't believe should be regulated with the full force of the law due to Covid? Do you honestly consider it would be healthy to have people wearing masks 24/7?

Jesus.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

I've been thinking this through.

Presumably curfew 8 pm to 6am means that supermarkets will only be open 7 am to 7 pm. All shelf stacking will be during those hours. So assuming that the majority of workers (from home or otherwise) still tend to be 9 to 5 ish, then they will all be doing their shopping between 7 and 8.30 am, while the staff are busy stackjing shelves as well, or between 5.30 and 7 pm.

Is that better than spreading it out through the night?

 

[RossyG]

I've advocated for a while now masks should be made mandatory in all settings including in homes where one or more members are regularly leaving the home.

Your avatar is well chosen. You’ve become the hysterical doom pixie of North Stand Chat.

 

[e77]

I've been thinking this through.

Presumably curfew 8 pm to 6am means that supermarkets will only be open 7 am to 7 pm. All shelf stacking will be during those hours. So assuming that the majority of workers (from home or otherwise) still tend to be 9 to 5 ish, then they will all be doing their shopping between 7 and 8.30 am, while the staff are busy stackjing shelves as well, or between 5.30 and 7 pm.

Is that better than spreading it out through the night?

I don't get the whole curfew thing. If anything there should be encouragement to do things outside of peak hours.

 

[A1X]

Yet another Lockdown breaker...

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[Blue Valkyrie]

Sage requesting again today a tougher and longer lockdown, there are plenty of things that this government can do instead of this flimsy lockdown light we currently have.

All exercise limited to once a day and for one hour max within 5 miles of your home and you must take ID out with you when leaving the home otherwise you will be fined.

Closure of all garden centres, off licences, fast food restaurants/takeaways.

Closure of all places of worship

All supermarkets over 1,000 sq ft required to have covid marshals to ensure compliance with mask wearing before entering and strict limits to capacity and social distancing inside (most supermarkets currently are a free for all).

Nighttime curfew between 8pm and 6am

Harsher penalties for those disobeying the stay at home laws

Masks mandatory in all settings

Prosecution of employers who insist employees work in their workplace when they have worked from home at some point between March and now

Closure of all construction sites for 3 weeks

How about they look at the 40% "shut" school attendance compared to the 10% allowed in Lockdown 1 ?


By the way, making people wear masks 24 hours a day even at home is a complete nonsense - particularly as it is recommended that they are changed every 2-4 hours. Remember to set your alarm clock !

 

[dazzer6666]

I've been thinking this through.

Presumably curfew 8 pm to 6am means that supermarkets will only be open 7 am to 7 pm. All shelf stacking will be during those hours. So assuming that the majority of workers (from home or otherwise) still tend to be 9 to 5 ish, then they will all be doing their shopping between 7 and 8.30 am, while the staff are busy stackjing shelves as well, or between 5.30 and 7 pm.

Is that better than spreading it out through the night?

Things like shelf-stacking would be outside of the curfew I think (essentially a keyworker exemption)

 

[crodonilson]

How about they look at the 40% "shut" school attendance compared to the 10% allowed in Lockdown 1 ?


By the way, making people wear masks 24 hours a day even at home is a complete nonsense - particularly as it is recommended that they are changed every 2-4 hours. Remember to set your alarm clock !

I wasn't advocating 24 hour mask wearing just that people living in a home where one or more people are regularly not at home, most likely for work purposes, it would make sense for people in those households to wear masks around their homes. Most infections are transmitted indoors and anything that helps cut transmissions can only be a good thing. Encouraged that the government is likely to ban sitting on benches outdoord as this is not deemed as exercise and is considering ending the allowanmce of meeting one other person outdoors for exercise as this is obviously being heavily abused.

 

[crodonilson]

Pushing Curfews still a thing?

So instead of spreading out people over 24 hours you ram them into 14 hours - How do keyworkers get to work?

Masks out side whilst I am running at 6am with no one else around?

I am not religious in the slightest, but for some people - a lot of older people - places of worship are critical places and also safe places.

Key workers would be exempt, essentially you would need a permit to be outside of your own home within this hours with hefty fines for those breaking the law. It would be far easier for the police to monitor those flouting the rules with a curfew in place which could be rigirously enforced with random stop and searches.