Legal issues with pub music quiz

[Uncle C]

Does anyone know if there are legal (copyright or performing right issues) associated with playing less than 30 seconds of a music track in public?

 

[Springal]

You'll need a PPL / PRS licence for anything over 1 second clips

 

[Uncle C]

You'll need a PPL / PRS licence for anything over 1 second clips

Thats pretty clear. Thanks

What about capturing 30 seconds of music from an internet source?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Thats pretty clear. Thanks

What about capturing 30 seconds of music from an internet source?

I don't think it matters where you get it from, it's where you play it. In this case you're playing it in public so you'll need the licence.

 

[Tooting Gull]

They ought to be able to guess the song in a second...

 

[Uncle C]

I don't think it matters where you get it from, it's where you play it. In this case you're playing it in public so you'll need the licence.

But surely you shouldn't go downloading full music tracks from the Internet for free, so does this not apply if you download 30seconds worth.

 

[The Large One]

What's the issue here?

Are you worried about someone questioning the source of some music?

 

[little al]

The pubs license should cover it.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Can I use a few seconds of copyrighted music in my production without having to pay royalties? — MediaMusicNow Blog - Royalty Free Music, Voice Overs, Audio Production

 

[Uncle C]

What's the issue here?

Are you worried about someone questioning the source of some music?

There are two issues:

Firstly does one need a performing rights licence - thats already answered.

Secondly is the more thorny issue about downloading music for free, whether it be for a pub quiz of personal use.
Its obviously not 'OK' do do this for a full music track but do rules change if you download only a few seconds worth.

 

[Uncle C]

Can I use a few seconds of copyrighted music in my production without having to pay royalties? — MediaMusicNow Blog - Royalty Free Music, Voice Overs, Audio Production

Well that pretty much covers it then. So the same applies to people who use music over a video etc.

 

[beorhthelm]

downloading/copying from any source is inherently a breach of copyright (yes, even for personal use). you would be expected to use an orginal/authorised recording to be completely legal. there is a clause in copyright for small parts to be copied for journalism, research etc. im not sure if this covers music but i think it should do.

 

[Uncle C]

downloading/copying from any source is inherently a breach of copyright (yes, even for personal use). you would be expected to use an orginal/authorised recording to be completely legal. there is a clause in copyright for small parts to be copied for journalism, research etc. im not sure if this covers music but i think it should do.

So how much of this applies to images that are copied and pasted on the Internet?

 

[beorhthelm]

yep. i bet you dont have licence or permission for that bike avatar. we all willfully break copyright, but its sort of accepted as the US has "fair use" and the UK law has the concept of the spirit of the law and no ones interested in chasing every transgression.

 

[Nottseagull]

Its obviously not 'OK' do do this for a full music track but do rules change if you download only a few seconds worth.

Isn't this like asking if it's OK to take a bite out of the apple from a barrow without pinching the whole apple?

 

[Uncle C]

Isn't this like asking if it's OK to take a bite out of the apple from a barrow without pinching the whole apple?

Not really.

To take an extreme, you could download 1 note which would occur in a million tunes. Would they all be entitled to sue.

Now maybe 2 notes is OK or even 3 or 4.

 

[Nottseagull]

Not really.

To take an extreme, you could download 1 note which would occur in a million tunes. Would they all be entitled to sue.

Now maybe 2 notes is OK or even 3 or 4.

I'll name that tune in five!

 

[dannyboy]

as little al said most pubs should have them for playing cd's jukebox etc so youll be fine

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Not really.

To take an extreme, you could download 1 note which would occur in a million tunes. Would they all be entitled to sue.

Now maybe 2 notes is OK or even 3 or 4.

They would have to prove that you were using their song, and in any case any judge in the land would throw it out in an instant.