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brighton rock

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Jul 5, 2003
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Lib Dems seize Brent East victory


Sarah Teather was supported by Simon Hughes, Lib Dem home affairs spokesman
The Liberal Democrats have snatched one of Labour's safest seats with a victory in a key north London by-election.
Sarah Teather won the Brent East poll by more than 1,100 votes, overturning a 13,047 majority and marking Labour's first loss of a Commons seat in a by-election for 15 years.

London MEP Robert Evans received 7,040 votes compared with Ms Teather's 8,158, while the Conservative candidate Uma Fernandes was beaten into third place with 3,368 votes.

The 29% swing from Labour to the Liberal Democrats is the largest for almost a decade, and is being described by commentators as one of the most stunning turnarounds in British electoral history.

However, with a turnout of 36.4%, senior Labour figures say many of the party's supporters simply did not vote.

The by-election took place on Thursday after Labour MP Paul Daisley died of cancer in June, aged just 45.

Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy said the result was "a big boost" for the party ahead of its annual conference in Brighton next week.

"We have shown that there is no such thing as a no-go area for the Liberal Democrats," he said.

"In Britain's most diverse community, we have shown that we can speak for every section of society and the Liberal Democrat message is one they want to hear and support."

War factor

The party will now have 54 MPs in Westminster, with 29-year-old Ms Teather making the transition from being a councillor in Islington to become the youngest member of the Commons.

Candidates and votes
Sarah Teather (Lib Dem) 8,158
Robert Evans (Labour) 7,040
Uma Fernandes (Conservative) 3,368
Noel Lynch (Green) 638
Brian Butterworth (Socialist Alliance) 361
Khidori Fawzi Ibrahim (Public Services Not War) 219
Winston McKenzie (Independent) 197
Kelly McBride (Independent) 189
Harold Immanuel (Independent Labour) 188
Brian Hall (UK Independence Party) 140
Iris Cremer (Socialist Labour Party) 111
Neil Walsh (Independent) 101
Alan Howling Lord Hope (Monster Raving Loony Party) 59
Aaron Barschack (No description) 37
Jiten Bardwaj (No description) 35
Rainbow George Weiss (WWW.XAT.ORG) 11

Commentators are linking the Labour defeat with Tony Blair's decision to go to war with Iraq, and anger among the party's traditional voters over the involvement of the private sector in public services.

"It's led to an awful sense of doubt both about Tony Blair personally and about this administration and I think that's going to be the difficulty for the government," Mr Kennedy told BBC Radio 4's Today.

For the Lib Dems, the result is being seen as a huge boost, proving they win by-elections not only against the Tories, but also against Labour.

Ms Teather said she was "absolutely elated" by the result, which came in at about 0230 BST on Friday, adding that both Labour and the Conservatives should take careful note of the outcome.

'Tide is turning'

"Tony Blair, I hope that you are listening tonight. The people of Brent have spoken for the people of Britain," she said.

"They want you to listen. They want you to deliver.

"But there is no comfort in this result tonight for the Conservative Party. They are irrelevant to constituencies like this," she added.

"The tide may be turning against Tony Blair and New Labour, but the tide remains far out for the Conservatives in this country. "

Labour said it was disappointed with the poll.




Blair's by-election nightmare
Chairman Ian McCartney said: "The backdrop of the controversy surrounding the Iraqi conflict, in its many forms, made this the most difficult by-election Labour has fought in the last 20 years.

"A disproportionate number of Labour voters staying at home was also a key feature."


Mr Evans, the Labour candidate, was optimistic despite defeat.

"I think if we're honest some of the results of Labour investment in health, in education, in the fight against crime haven't yet filtered through to voters," he said.

"Clearly we've had a by-election - people have exercised the right to perhaps vote differently (from how) they might do in a general election and so obviously we're very disappointed.

"But we'll bounce back." Lessons to learn

In the 2001 general election Mr Daisley managed to secure a majority of 13,047 with 63.21% of the vote.

He took over the seat from Ken Livingstone, who became London's mayor.

Then the Tories came second with 18.21% of votes cast, while the Liberal Democrats picked up 10.57%.

The Conservatives said they would examine the campaign and learn from it.

Conservative chairman Theresa May said: "I'm disappointed for Uma Fernandes, because I think she was an extremely good candidate.

"Of course parties don't want to come third in elections but our vote held up, contrary to predictions that it was going to collapse.

"We will look at the campaign and learn the lessons from the campaign but we are a party that is on course for the general election."
 






Shizuoka Dolphin

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I don't think one seat will make a huge difference - it would take a swing of monumentous proportions to get Labour out, and for that to happen you need an effective opposition, not one with delusions of competence.
 


looney

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Jul 7, 2003
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Dont agree CD

Govs get chucked cos of govs major cock ups, ERM etc.

Also there is growing evidence that electorates are becoming a lot more volatile for a lot of reasons.
 


Shizuoka Dolphin

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I agree with you to a degree, there will be a big swing away from Labour given everything that's happened in Iraq etc, but I don't think the Torys give enough people the alternative they're after. Votes will likely go away from Labour, but to too disparate a selection of recipients to make a big enough difference.
 
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Albion Dan

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Jul 8, 2003
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Ive always voted Labour but for the first time in my life will be forced to support another party. I just cant support Tony Blair, the bloke is almost as bad as Thatcher.

Just not sure wether to go for the Lib Dems or the Raving Loonies.
 


Brovion

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Jul 6, 2003
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Brent East will go back to Labour at the next election, by-elections have always been seen as glorified opinion polls and for a chance to stick two fingers up to an unpopular government in mid-term. Look at Eastbourne, (Mr Bellotti's finest hour) and further back at places like Orpington. Even my high-Tory father-in-law admitted voting Liberal in that one.
 










Jul 7, 2003
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Bolton
It is bloody ridiculous that some 29 year old girl who has never had a job outside of being a councillor is in Parliament after getting 8,000 votes. She better enjoy herself because she will onl be there until the next election - does she still get the fat pay-off that other losing MPs get?
 




Shizuoka Dolphin

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Eastleigh Seagull said:
It is bloody ridiculous that some 29 year old girl who has never had a job outside of being a councillor is in Parliament after getting 8,000 votes.

You mean there's going to be an MP in Parliament who's out of touch with the working man?
 
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Jul 7, 2003
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Bolton
It was a combination of all the aforementioned factors that makes it particularly irritating. But then again the best example in Parliament of the working man is Prescott - on whom I will reserve judgement for a short while.
 


simon swagbag

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Jul 8, 2003
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Is Brighton Rock a member of the Lib Dems? I wonder what motivated him to start this thread.
Perhaps they've cottoned on to how many thousands of people visit forums & have told their members to use them for their party's political ends. It's a smart move in some respects, encouraging political thought & debate.
However I feel a little uncomfortable that we may be being targeted by politicians & their runners whenever we switch our computers on.
 




CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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VOTE LABOUR IF ONLY FOR FALMER PEOPLE.

THE MORE LABOUR IN AND AROUND THIS TOWN THE MORE CHANCE THAT PRESCOTT WLL SAY YES - FACT.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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This Labour government is the worst government in my lifetime including, Thatcher, Major etc.

They are all about " rob the workers and pay the shirkers ". If you are an ilegal immigrant, single mum, on the dole or have a bad back, vote Labour.

If you want to try and be succesful and make a decent life/living for yourself through damn hard work they will rob you with council tax, inheritance tax liability, pilfer your pension funds, use the motorist as a cash cow.

I hate them so much and even IDS under the tories would be a better alternative.

Get them out !.
 




The Clown of Pevensey Bay

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Jul 5, 2003
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Eastleigh Seagull said:
It is bloody ridiculous that some 29 year old girl who has never had a job outside of being a councillor is in Parliament after getting 8,000 votes. She better enjoy herself because she will onl be there until the next election - does she still get the fat pay-off that other losing MPs get?

MPs don't get a "fat pay-off" if they lose. They get quite a nice pension, but assuming Sarah Teather loses at the next election, she won't have had long to pay into it and so won't receive all that much.

I for one reckon MPs' salaries are fair enough, given the amount of casework etc that many of them do (I know a few MPs from each of the main parties resaonably well). Your average backbencher gets £55k or so, and more for being a minister or chairing a select committee.

Although it would be nice to see them not take *quite* so much summer holiday and then complain about "lack of parliamentary time".
 






tedebear

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Jul 7, 2003
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compulsory voting must be brought in in this country!!

but in by-elections historically people vote somewhat more off the cuff to be fair....and think longer and harder about national elections...
 


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