Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[Chicken Run]

I sympathise with the ex-Computer programmer, I really do. But my suggestion isn’t to bring down other workers, it’s to try and better his situation. You seem to want the reverse. I appreciate the current situation is far from ideal but does it really have to be as bad as it is? No, it doesn’t. The U.K. has one of the worst recessions there is, it’s over twice that of Germany. Why? It has the highest number of deaths in Europe. Why? It’s routinely wasting millions and millions and millions on botched deals and burning through billions and billions due to Brexit. Why? I think you know why. Other countries have proven it doesn’t have to be this bad. So, if there’s a finger to be pointed it’s not towards your fellow worker, he/she is just trying to do the best they can, it should be pointed solely at the government.

PS it was also this government which advised people to retrain....which your delivery chap has clearly taken on board. Or are you suggesting this was crass advice from the government?

I too am sympathetic to your desire to see every worker given a fair wage, however you are over thinking my original argument, one that off NSC isn’t even an argument in that right now today and relevant to the crisis we are in I have zero sympathy for public workers and their pay freeze.

 

[A1X]

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Imagine waking up on News Year's Day 2020 and being told that the voices of sanity in the world this year would end up being Danny Dyer and Marcus Rashford

 

[Randy McNob]

I too am sympathetic to your desire to see every worker given a fair wage, however you are over thinking my original argument, one that off NSC isn’t even an argument in that right now today and relevant to the crisis we are in I have zero sympathy for public workers and their pay freeze.

Why should everyday people pay the price? Just like the crash in 2008, ordinary people paid the price with a decade of austerity to save the banks after casino style banking, ironically one the architects of the crash is now chancellor. Make the rich and the large corporates pay for it.

The country is poor and cannot afford it they say, but oh look there's 1.6bn to spend on warfare......

 

[WATFORD zero]

I too am sympathetic to your desire to see every worker given a fair wage, however you are over thinking my original argument, one that off NSC isn’t even an argument in that right now today and relevant to the crisis we are in I have zero sympathy for public workers and their pay freeze.

Well here's some news that should cheer you up then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-update-b1760191.html

Elsewhere, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has not ruled out a public sector pay cut in his upcoming one-year spending review, with one trade union boss condemning the potential move as “morally obscene”.

Personally, I wouldn't see it as good news that yet another large proportion of the UK population could suffer more, but each to their own

 

[Chicken Run]

Well here's some news that should cheer you up then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-update-b1760191.html

Elsewhere, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has not ruled out a public sector pay cut in his upcoming one-year spending review, with one trade union boss condemning the potential move as “morally obscene”.

Personally, I wouldn't see it as good news that yet another large proportion of the UK population could suffer more, but each to their own

Ahhhh the Air Vice Marshal of the Boomer Sqdn has turned up [emoji2357][emoji2357]

I would go on record as saying that a pay cut would be shocking however as you know I’m talking about them whining about not getting a pay rise.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Ahhhh the Air Vice Marshal of the Boomer Sqdn has turned up [emoji2357][emoji2357]

I didn't think you would want to answer why that would make you happy

Maybe next time the poor kid delivers you a takeaway you should ask him what he thought you voting for Johnson and Brexit had done for his career prospects ?

(I love the way you have now gone back to edit your post and put this in. You don't look nearly as bad now )

I would go on record as saying that a pay cut would be shocking however as you know I’m talking about them whining about not getting a pay rise.

 

[Chicken Run]

I didn't think you would want to answer why that would make you happy

Maybe next time the poor kid delivers you a takeaway you should ask him what he thought you voting for Johnson and Brexit had done for his career prospects ?

But I have answered boomer, should have gone to spec savers [emoji6]

 

[WATFORD zero]

But I have answered boomer, should have gone to spec savers [emoji6]

You're starting to sound just like another of [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION]/ [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] accounts.

I'm starting to wonder how many actual Brexiteers are left on here

 

[Chicken Run]

You're starting to sound just like another of [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION]/ [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] accounts.

I'm starting to wonder how many actual Brexiteers are left on here

I’ll put 10k into REMF if you’d like to prove that, very simple to get a mod to fact check that, you happy to stand that bet if you’re wrong, a simple yes or no will suffice?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I’ll put 10k into REMF if you’d like to prove that, very simple to get a mod to fact check that, you happy to stand that bet if you’re wrong, a simple yes or no will suffice?

Funnily enough that's exactly what 'they' both said (knowing that it isn't simple for mods to check, as there are many ways to mask IP addresses).

I know you're not, but I'm simply pointing out that you revert to the same stupidly embarrassing one liners as they do when you don't have an answer. You're all so predictable.

Awaits angry, sweary, insulting post

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I’m so sorry I completely disagree.

You’re diverting my simple complaint that in the current climate, public sector workers whining they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us struggle through with lost jobs, others having to do two jobs to cover the losses they have suffered, (I could go on and on)

Guy who delivered my Friday take away had a baby in a car seat in the rear of his vehicle, I get chatting to him and establish he’s a computer programmer who was laid off in the summer, he’s tried his best to get similar work but to no avail, he’s now doing the food delivery in the evenings and supermarket work during the day, the kid is with him as his wife was also out delivering food as they can barely cover their rent.

Do you think he’s impressed with with his neighbour who’s spent the summer off work on full pay, itching for a reason to stop working again for the rest of the year on full pay and then is rather irritated that they aren’t going to get their pay rise this year?

I'll ask again. What public sector work was the neighbour employed in that they could be paid 100% of their wages for doing nothing?

 

[beorhthelm]

not sure if its really morally better for the insulated public sector to have a rise when so many lost jobs? rhetorical of course, battle lines are drawn.

 

[WATFORD zero]

not sure if its really morally better for the insulted public sector to have a rise when so many lost jobs? rhetorical of course, battle lines are drawn.

Won't be a problem if the battle lines Johnson has drawn last as long as his Brexit red lines.

U-turn incoming

 

[Chicken Run]

Funnily enough that's exactly what 'they' both said yesterday (knowing that it isn't simple as there are many ways to mask and IP addresses).

I know you're not, but I'm simply pointing out that you revert to the same stupidly embarrassing one liners as they do when you don't have an answer. You're all so predictable.

Awaits angry, sweary, insulting post

Here’s a calm assessment of the matter in hand, I was having a perfectly good debate with one or two people about my thoughts on certain public sector workers objecting to a proposed pay freeze this year!

You turn up and somehow turn the discussion into a Brexit chat. Hell you even try and start new threads on the main board just to test the mods, remember Symjim?

You’re obsessed with Brexit and seeing as your retired and at present probably sat around not doing a great deal I suppose I get the intensity of your obsession, let’s hope you can get out soon you boomer and start clogging the alsie’s of Waitrose on a weekend.

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[Chicken Run]

I'll ask again. What public sector work was the neighbour employed in that they could be paid 100% of their wages for doing nothing?

Have a guess x

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Have a guess x

Conservative MP.

 

[A1X]

relevant to the crisis we are in I have zero sympathy for public workers and their pay freeze.

"You know who should be made to pay the price for this pandemic? Those doctors, nurses, teachers and the like who put themselves at risk to keep things going and try and make things better for people."

I mean...it's an opinion. Perhaps we can channel the thinking in the early part of the pandemic and go on our doorsteps at 8pm this Thursday to clap the nurses and doctors pay cuts?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I too am sympathetic to your desire to see every worker given a fair wage, however you are over thinking my original argument, one that off NSC isn’t even an argument in that right now today and relevant to the crisis we are in I have zero sympathy for public workers and their pay freeze.

As a socialist my sympathy doesn’t discriminate. I feel for everyone but lay the blame well and truly at the hands of the government. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I’ll put 10k into REMF if you’d like to prove that, very simple to get a mod to fact check that, you happy to stand that bet if you’re wrong, a simple yes or no will suffice?

Leave him to it.

 

[Chicken Run]

As a socialist my sympathy doesn’t discriminate. I feel for everyone but lay the blame well and truly at the hands of the government. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

Ok [emoji106]