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Up the Albion!
Were Stockport a good team when we took half their players? It's just that I can't remember Stockport County getting any rave reviews or have a reputation for producing players like some teams have; Crewe for example.
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"Its all Micky Adams fault"
- Thread starter Harty
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You just can't help yourself.
Unfortunately you proved you know very little about the workings of the playing side of professional football.
You do not sack ANY manager that is doing quite well, it is always likely to deliver failure.
You yourself jumped on the bandwagon offering a 'lost the dressing room' jibe on the radio, whilst trying to justify Adams appointment.
Still no doubt a 'starstruck' fan made whilst sipping overpriced Lager Top and being fed snippets of 'inside' information at various club functions and as a longstanding fan you couldn't help but feel quite pleased with yourself.
But again it has been proved a disaster for the club, yes another window will be opened and another lorry load of money will be wasted on players that may offer no more than safety from relegation.
Again as Falmer gets closer and closer we will again be told how Championship Football is 'our aim' and another transfer window will be offering treasure and we will throw more money at the journeyman professional unable to deliver wins against our League 1 rivals whilst our own youth products are once again shamefully ignored.
Eventually someone somewhere will be tired of wasting their wealth.
Eventually budgets will be cut and we might find ourselves playing Lower League football in an empty shiny new stadium.
So yes it was a disastrous decision and those snivelling squad players and arrogant ex-Chairman and some of you in the media seem more irrelevent today than ever before.
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I to was concerned that Harty thought that King Mick was the man to lead us to Falmer our promised land, perhaps King Dick bashed his ear one too many?
Great to here John Byrne totally disagree with the decision of sacking DW while trying to bite his tongue, he could have so easily sat on the fence.
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Vankleek Hill Seagull
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A very interesting post. Thanks for that.
NMH
Banned
I have for some time been confused at board financial issues and moves.
Mark Mcghee sold a couple of players and managed to get loads, which apparently went on outside expenses, with nothing for players.
They didn't give Magoo dosh, then pushed him....costing them in paying him for another season. They gave Dean Wilkins a leg-up, then would only sparsely allow him to spend, mostly only after making the money from sale of a player. Not even wage-demands or aspirations were allowed for.
He upgraded some of his youth, looking to make space on the wage-account by letting some oldies go.
Then they oust him (at more cost), and hire Adams, with a little more to spend. He got in loans that failed - and ultimately he failed, while the youth players that DW nurtured still proved to be the main backbone of the team.
Slade then came in and had some money to get players, and he succeeded in keeping us up..barely. However, without that desperate incentive of dodging relegation, he proved ineffectual and got the sack too. His players showing less promise as games went by.
So... now what? Will this high-profile manager also get high-profile funds to match his ambition?
Mark Mcghee sold a couple of players and managed to get loads, which apparently went on outside expenses, with nothing for players.
They didn't give Magoo dosh, then pushed him....costing them in paying him for another season. They gave Dean Wilkins a leg-up, then would only sparsely allow him to spend, mostly only after making the money from sale of a player. Not even wage-demands or aspirations were allowed for.
He upgraded some of his youth, looking to make space on the wage-account by letting some oldies go.
Then they oust him (at more cost), and hire Adams, with a little more to spend. He got in loans that failed - and ultimately he failed, while the youth players that DW nurtured still proved to be the main backbone of the team.
Slade then came in and had some money to get players, and he succeeded in keeping us up..barely. However, without that desperate incentive of dodging relegation, he proved ineffectual and got the sack too. His players showing less promise as games went by.
So... now what? Will this high-profile manager also get high-profile funds to match his ambition?
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
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What about all the abuse and calls for Wilkins to be sacked throughout his reign from people on here and at the ground, don't you think that might have contributed to the boards decision to look elsewhere for a new manager several months before he finally got the push (if the rumours were true that is that they were lining Adams up at Christmas) Adams was a gamble that failed but i can see the logic behind it, it was aimed at keeping the fans happy and returning, after all thats how the club survives, by fans turning up and paying to watch.
Fan pressure and expectation has had a massively damaging effect on the club over recent seasons imo, they want changes and success, yet are unprepared to allow those changes to take effect before demanding more changes and so it continues. How can a club build if they are chopping away at the foundations every 5 minutes in an effort to meet fans demands for Championship football, even though we do not have the foundations in place (Falmer) to be able to deliver that over a sustained period of time.
How long before there are calls for Poyets head? - he must be allowed to rebuild the squad, and be given time to mould that new squad into a team but this doesn't mean instant success, but its whether he will be given time by fans that he needs or whether we end up with yet another new manager looking to change yet another squad to his own and to mould that and hope for success before fan impatience gets them the sack and the merry go round goes on.
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No mate, all he needs to do is, unlike adams and slade, buy players that are good at football. The rest fallows on from that. Slade and adams bought badly and both rightly got the sack. Poyet now has to prove he can buy well, or rightly hhe too will get the sack
Deano's Invisible Pants
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- Mar 1, 2008
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Correct - at least on the face of it. The only question is, to what extent did Barry Lloyd influence / determine the choice of signings under both of these managers?
Some of Slade's signings have been good (eg. Bennett, Dicker, Crofts), likewise it was Adams who signed Jim McNulty. I would love to know whether it was Slade or Lloyd who thought that Smith, Wright and Navarro were the right targets or whether this was down to Bazza.
NMH
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We would have been playing in the Division 2, if we'd waited to appoint Gannon.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,274
Not every player a manager buys will be successful, this is the same for every manager from Alex Ferguson all the way down to non league football. Also, spending a large fee on a player doesn't make them a success or a small fee make them crap.
Some of the previous managers buys have worked (as pointed out above) and some didn't, but injury has also played a part in the previous managers failure, Had McNulty stayed fit instead of losing a Kidney, had Murray been available all season etc etc then maybe we wouldn't have gone through so many managers and be so low down the table.
Luck does play a part too as someone else pointed out earlier, McGhee got the rub of the green when here. Where as, it could be argued that none of the managers who followed have (including Wilkins)
What is needed is to keep the pressure off the players, allowing them to play or otherwise they become tense and make more errors or hoof the ball more often because they become worried about giving a goal away or making a mistake. We also need to give the manager time to make his changes work and not give into the boo boy tactics of the last couple of seasons.
All the boo boy antics does is add to the pressure and make us play worse, at the end of last season we changed from constantly slagging off our own players and backed the players on the pitch instead of whinging and results improved, its time to get behind the team again, especially at home where the atmosphere has completely vanished. History has shown its possible to create an atmosphere at Withdean, but apathy has taken over and people would rather complain about a lack of atmosphere than create one.
But Wilkins offered a player development ethos second to none.
Players came through the youth set up some being sold for big money, others contributing to Wilkins teams, others failing, but it worked and was a priceless asset the club could ill afford to lose.
This development offer a player that is well versed in the managers playing ethos and can easily be transferred into his play when managing the first team and was proved to offer some success, for free.
Wilkins would know personally every coach from Under 9's up into the Under 16's and they would know him too, each knew what was expected of them and there was a mutual respect for each others work.
Since he left, I have been told neither Adams, Slade and Poyet never once was at the Centre of Excellence and none would have known who and what was being coached to any talented youngster at the Centre, the conveyor belt is fickle, it requires a genuine desire to teach and offer opportunity to those that inhabit it.
Dont kid yourself we are no Chelsea or Man City we cannot buy success.
We cannot tempt the most talented players of this Division, let alone those a league above.
So we eagerly await the transfer window for players that Charlton & Leeds have no regard and we pay them handsomely and fail again and the cycle starts again.
Players came through the youth set up some being sold for big money, others contributing to Wilkins teams, others failing, but it worked and was a priceless asset the club could ill afford to lose.
This development offer a player that is well versed in the managers playing ethos and can easily be transferred into his play when managing the first team and was proved to offer some success, for free.
Wilkins would know personally every coach from Under 9's up into the Under 16's and they would know him too, each knew what was expected of them and there was a mutual respect for each others work.
Since he left, I have been told neither Adams, Slade and Poyet never once was at the Centre of Excellence and none would have known who and what was being coached to any talented youngster at the Centre, the conveyor belt is fickle, it requires a genuine desire to teach and offer opportunity to those that inhabit it.
Dont kid yourself we are no Chelsea or Man City we cannot buy success.
We cannot tempt the most talented players of this Division, let alone those a league above.
So we eagerly await the transfer window for players that Charlton & Leeds have no regard and we pay them handsomely and fail again and the cycle starts again.
A football manager gets paid to produce a winning side. Mitigating circumstances are the budget he is given hence Hodgson at Fulham is pound for pound for me is as good as Ferguson and Hodgson this and last season, the best manager around at the moment in the top flight. Its cash versus success achieved that is looked at, and this shows why Wilkins was doing a fantastic job with no money, as against Adams / Slade who both failed when they had cash. Slade and Adams were given plenty of cash (over a Million for Slade and how much for Adams, for third tier football?) and they failed. Poyet will be given money and his job is to succeed. No ifs, no excuses and no buts. He will be judged after he has bought players and built a side and s how it should be. Adams went down the white sock, thick footballer hoofing method, this always doomed to fail. Slade just got his buying wrong. Poyet? We shall see, but no friggin excuses ok?
So when we signed Murray for £300k that was evidence of having no money?
It was more than Mark McGhee was allowed to spend and he got us promoted, avoided relegation from the Championship, had a positive balance on transfers of over £2.5million..........and was sacked due to NSC for his efforts.
It was more than Mark McGhee was allowed to spend and he got us promoted, avoided relegation from the Championship, had a positive balance on transfers of over £2.5million..........and was sacked due to NSC for his efforts.
I've been watching the Albion since 1974 when I moved to Brighton. Since then we have spent (I think)
4 years in the top division
13 years in the second division
13 years in the third division
5 years in the bottom division
Most of the time we have been a bit shit, interspaced with short periods of brilliance, and occasionally we have been very shit.
During that period we have had a ridiculous 22 managers, and that excludes caretakers. For people to claim that one manager or another is the saviour or spawn of Beezlebub is ridiculous.
We are a small town, small minded club with aspirations above our station, see you all at Wycombe tomorrow x
4 years in the top division
13 years in the second division
13 years in the third division
5 years in the bottom division
Most of the time we have been a bit shit, interspaced with short periods of brilliance, and occasionally we have been very shit.
During that period we have had a ridiculous 22 managers, and that excludes caretakers. For people to claim that one manager or another is the saviour or spawn of Beezlebub is ridiculous.
We are a small town, small minded club with aspirations above our station, see you all at Wycombe tomorrow x
yep and bought well - Murray despite being a prat can play football - when he deems to bother to try, you know when the tv cameras are rolling. However Wilkins had his central midfielder sold and we still got to the edge of the play offs. Wilkins did a great job (I couldnt give a fig if a few players hated him, more than a few players had good reason to hate Clough - just ask Peter Ward!), Adams was a hoofing disaster and Slade bought badly. Poyet now has a chance and he will be judged after he has bought
Box of Frogs
Zamoras Left Boot
I can't believe nobody has blamed the Stewards at Withdean yet?!?!
Stumpy Tim
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To be fair, when we bought Murray we also sold Hammond and a couple of others. I'm pretty sure we made a profit that transfer window. Also, under Wilkins, Cox & Elphick were held in high esteem & their value was very high - much higher than now
Small town? 250 for btn and hove plus the towns / ports like worthing / Newhaven. No mate its not a small town and stop looking for excuses for those that failed. They failed and thats the end of it. They had cash (more than Oients or Bristol rovers of this world) and they failed. Poyet has a chance and its down to him to take it - that mate is a city attitude not a small town attitude