Is alchohol worse than ecstasy?

[house your seagull]

i think the rise of the chavs is perhaps linked to a downturn in the use of ecstacy on wider scale ...

maybe we should put it in the water in rough areas, like fluoride - i might right to the argus.

 

[Buzzer]

Ask me today and I'd say ecstacy.

Ask me in a few days when I cheer up a bit then it'll definitely be alcohol.

 

[Cian]

No-one knows, and that's why its a flawed argument.

The 'drink-related deaths' for example, includes car-accidents, etc where a driver is over the alcohol limit. Similar testing for drug use is very much less widespread, and comparable instances would often be missed.

Is toxicology on drivers in fatal car crashes not done in the UK? We get a few proven cocaine-usage-probably-caused car crashes a year.

 

[Seagull73]

Depends what the ecstacy is cut with dunnit. Certainly in it's pure form it is 'okay' but I've certainly had some pills with very questionable substances in, including speed, laxatives and almost definitely poisons.

How do you know what it was cut with? You would've been off your face.

Look at the stats of people who die from alcohol related deaths, and those that die from drug overdoses - there isn't even a comparison. A little simplistic, but the threat from alcohol as a 'drug' has been ignored for decades - and the binge culture we see now is a result of that.

The early to mid-90's where the peak for ecstasy - and you never feared of any trouble in town because everybody was too f**ked to what to fight, and then people went home and got more trashed. Who is that affecting?

What we don't know yet are the real long-term implications of mental health on ecstasy usage. Classification means jack shit until you know just how deadly it is, and we have only seen very few examples of people actually dieing through taking ecstasy.

 

[Buzzer]

why not mix both of them together? I mean, what's the worst that could happen?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7228325.stm



Man 'had sex with victim's body'


Miss Bowman, 18, was stabbed and bitten several times outside her Croydon home in September 2005.
Chef Mark Dixie, 35, of no fixed address, denies murdering Miss Bowman.
Prosecutor Brian Altman told the Old Bailey: "The defendant confesses that he had sex with Sally Anne and that he had sex with her after her death."
The court heard Mr Dixie had said he had been drinking, took drugs and had "taken advantage of the situation".
Mr Altman added: "That astonishingly is his defence. It is born out of desperation. "There is not a single grain of truth in it." The case continues.

 

[Napper]

That news story is a nonsense as it was in croydon

 

[Cian]

If he had sex with her I doubt the drugs taken included ecstasy...

 

[perth seagull]

If he had sex with her I doubt the drugs taken included ecstasy...

Very true. You can't get it up while you're on an e.

 

[Napper]

Very true. You can't get it up while you're on an e.

You're joking , best sex in the world is on pills

 

[Cian]

You're joking , best sex in the world is on pills

Very few people can get it up, though.

 

[Biscuit]

Sex on coke on the other hand...

 

[Griffffffffo]

a bit of everything in small doses can't be too harmful.
Although when articles like this come out, i wonder why tobacco and alcohol aren't being upgraded, or at least their effects being drilled home, rather than other things being downgraded!

 

[Billy the Fish]

frankly its comparing apples and meat pie.

That's the best comment on this thread. I don't see the point of the arguement. The effects of ecstacy and the effects of alcohol are mutually exclusive events, what do you gain by comparing the two? Taking ecstacy over a long term does undoubtedly f*** up your brain, if you're doing too much you get big warning signs such as pill dreams, which can be pretty horrific, mild depression and poor short term memory to name a few. Most people notice this and stop or cut down before any big damage is done. With alcohol you don't get any signs until it's too late and you liver is shagged. For me that is the main difference.

 

[John Bumlick]

Depends what the ecstacy is cut with dunnit. Certainly in it's pure form it is 'okay' but I've certainly had some pills with very questionable substances in, including speed, laxatives and almost definitely poisons.

ecstasy cut with laxatives? what a f***ing nightmare. did it make you want to take a shit and then just hold it?

 

[CHAPPERS]

ecstasy cut with laxatives? what a f***ing nightmare. did it make you want to take a shit and then just hold it?

Pretty much.

 

[Questions]

You're joking , best sex in the world is on pills

Sex after a pill............................. it becomes a real mission..... and painful.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Sex on coke on the other hand...

Amen brother

 

[Lady Whistledown]

The issue with alcohol is its social effects. As the programme said, a humungous proportion of hospital admissions are in some way alcohol related. It's not just beardy old lushes whose livers have collapsed through years of knocking back White Lightning in bus shelters.

Go to A&E on a weekend after chuck out time and I guarantee you will spot at least two of the following:

Victims of drunk drivers, or pissheads who've staggered into the path of a moving vehicle. Black eyes and split eyebrows from drunken fights. Broken digits from stumbling over while bladdered. Kids unconscious through alcohol poisoning after knocking back ten bottles of WKD. Domestic violence victims who are battered by their drunken partners. People who are raped or sexually assaulted because they lost their inhibitions after a couple of shandies and couldn't say no. The guy who drinks fifteen pints then thinks he's invincible enough to walk along a high wall without falling off. A comatose adult male who's only taking up the NHS bed because he drank himself into unconsciousness and there's nowhere else to safely put him while he sleeps it off (his mates don't care because they've had their kebab and just want to get the bus home).

Ever wondered why you usually spend three hours waiting for non-emergency treatment in A&E? There's your answer, you're behind all that lot.

Imagine the taxes we'd all save if the emergency and healthcare services didn't spend so much time clearing up after people too trollied to look after themselves.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

I think alcohol will be treated like tobacco in the next 10-20 years. It will be legal, but frowned upon. I hope so too. I drink more than I should and would love to cut down