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How the Rich Beat the Taxman







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Tooting Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
11,033
Good shout.

Given some of the recent threads, I think people should watch this with Conservative phrases like 'we're all in it together' and 'share the pain' in their minds.

We're all in it together, so you can lose £100 from your £300 monthly disposable income and all your cheap leisure opportunities when we slash services via council budgets. However we, the rich, will put our millions in offshore trusts, knowing the government will never do anything about it because we'll give them a nice job when they're out of office.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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you dont need to be rich to beat the taxman. you just need to know how. many people on low incomes find ways too you know.
 




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Mr Everyone

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Jan 12, 2008
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Long Eaton
beorhthelm said:
you dont need to be rich to beat the taxman. you just need to know how. many people on low incomes find ways too you know.
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The Daily Mail delights in confirming what you have stated on a regular basis. I'm sure most tax cheats tend to be on the wealthy side though.

Perhaps C4 should have taken this on board when they were doing their research for this programme.
 






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Tooting Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
11,033
I did a stint volunteering at my local Citizens Advice for about 15 months, something I was very sorry to have to give up for work reasons, as it was one of the most worthwhile and fulfilling things I've ever done.

And if I had to point to one thing that surprised me from my time there (shows even I got hoodwinked by media coverage) it was that the vast number of people in there, many on benefits, were not work-shy fops looking to swindle the country as Osborne claims. The vast majority on Job Seekers Allowance were proud people who wanted to work, often had made a mess of things, and wanted to find the best way out and start over. These cases you read about in the papers, they were not the people walking througn the door.

So I'm afraid that I view the attack on benefit cheats as sounding tough about a problem that is vastly overstated (not saying it doesn't exist) and whipping up hatred towards a certain group, while deflecting attention from the fact that the wealthy are not paying their fair share.
 


The Merry Prankster

The Merry Prankster

Pactum serva
Aug 19, 2006
5,578
Shoreham Beach
Tooting Gull said:
I did a stint volunteering at my local Citizens Advice for about 15 months, something I was very sorry to have to give up for work reasons, as it was one of the most worthwhile and fulfilling things I've ever done.

And if I had to point to one thing that surprised me from my time there (shows even I got hoodwinked by media coverage) it was that the vast number of people in there, many on benefits, were not work-shy fops looking to swindle the country as Osborne claims. The vast majority on Job Seekers Allowance were proud people who wanted to work, often had made a mess of things, and wanted to find the best way out and start over. These cases you read about in the papers, they were not the people walking througn the door.

So I'm afraid that I view the attack on benefit cheats as sounding tough about a problem that is vastly overstated (not saying it doesn't exist) and whipping up hatred towards a certain group, while deflecting attention from the fact that the wealthy are not paying their fair share.
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Not picking a fight but the people you saw (who came to CAB) are by their actions not a representative sample.
 




Simster

Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,763
Surrey
Tooting Gull said:
I did a stint volunteering at my local Citizens Advice for about 15 months, something I was very sorry to have to give up for work reasons, as it was one of the most worthwhile and fulfilling things I've ever done.

And if I had to point to one thing that surprised me from my time there (shows even I got hoodwinked by media coverage) it was that the vast number of people in there, many on benefits, were not work-shy fops looking to swindle the country as Osborne claims. The vast majority on Job Seekers Allowance were proud people who wanted to work, often had made a mess of things, and wanted to find the best way out and start over. These cases you read about in the papers, they were not the people walking througn the door.

So I'm afraid that I view the attack on benefit cheats as sounding tough about a problem that is vastly overstated (not saying it doesn't exist) and whipping up hatred towards a certain group, while deflecting attention from the fact that the wealthy are not paying their fair share.
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That's my take on it too. It absolutely does exist (there are massive sink estates where benefit scrounging is a lifestyle choice) but it is vastly overstated.

The rich do not pay their way though. Amazing to hear a couple of goons on here defending that tosser who reported the waste in Whitehall, while failing to pay any tax on his recent £1.2bn dividend. How many wasted child benefits does that pay for then?
 
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Mr Everyone

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Jan 12, 2008
761
Long Eaton
Tooting Gull said:
I did a stint volunteering at my local Citizens Advice for about 15 months, something I was very sorry to have to give up for work reasons, as it was one of the most worthwhile and fulfilling things I've ever done.

And if I had to point to one thing that surprised me from my time there (shows even I got hoodwinked by media coverage) it was that the vast number of people in there, many on benefits, were not work-shy fops looking to swindle the country as Osborne claims. The vast majority on Job Seekers Allowance were proud people who wanted to work, often had made a mess of things, and wanted to find the best way out and start over. These cases you read about in the papers, they were not the people walking througn the door.

So I'm afraid that I view the attack on benefit cheats as sounding tough about a problem that is vastly overstated (not saying it doesn't exist) and whipping up hatred towards a certain group, while deflecting attention from the fact that the wealthy are not paying their fair share.
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In agreement with everything written there.

In terms of what the economy loses as a result of welfare cheats, it is a drop in the ocean compared with the tax cheats.
 






beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
35,826
Tooting Gull said:
And if I had to point to one thing that surprised me from my time there (shows even I got hoodwinked by media coverage) it was that the vast number of people in there, many on benefits, were not work-shy fops looking to swindle the country as Osborne claims. The vast majority on Job Seekers Allowance were proud people who wanted to work, often had made a mess of things, and wanted to find the best way out and start over. These cases you read about in the papers, they were not the people walking througn the door.
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i would say thats because the CAB see those that can be arsed and want to turn things around. those that dont wont bother with CAB as they are just bumbling along, other than thsoe that come crying when even the social get fed up with them.

there's no myth of workshy scroungers, or people who simply wont take a job thats "beneath them". who gets a way with more, the rich evaders or the poor scroungers? theres probably more of the latter but they dont cost as much collectivly. but somthing alot of people ignore in this debate is alot of those who are wealthy and evading/avoiding tax pay alot anyway (not a justification). and in the extreme cases like Green, why critise someone just for following the rules?
 
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auschr

New member
Apr 19, 2009
1,357
USA
Tooting Gull said:
Good shout.

Given some of the recent threads, I think people should watch this with Conservative phrases like 'we're all in it together' and 'share the pain' in their minds.

We're all in it together, so you can lose £100 from your £300 monthly disposable income and all your cheap leisure opportunities when we slash services via council budgets. However we, the rich, will put our millions in offshore trusts, knowing the government will never do anything about it because we'll give them a nice job when they're out of office.
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took the words out of my mouth :bowdown:
 








beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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so far we've seen how a tax break to promote an industry has been used to reduce tax... er, thats the point isnt it?
 










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