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How do you solve a problem like England?



Brighton TID

New member
Jul 24, 2005
1,741
Horsham
#1. Replace everyone at the FA with people who know the game, rather than the existing back slapping old farts who've never kicked a ball in their lives. We need new, fresh ideas to get ahead of the game rather than playing catch up all of the time.
 




magoo

New member
Jul 8, 2003
6,682
United Kingdom
Football (premiership) is no longer about the love of the game for the people running it. It's about making money and obscene amounts of it too. It probably will never change either.
 


scotjem

New member
Oct 25, 2003
334
Glasgow


pasty

A different kind of pasty
Jul 5, 2003
30,810
West, West, West Sussex
#1. Replace everyone at the FA with people who know the game, rather than the existing back slapping old farts who've never kicked a ball in their lives. We need new, fresh ideas to get ahead of the game rather than playing catch up all of the time.

This. And then put Sir Trevor Brooking in charge of absolutely EVERYTHING.
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,089
This. And then put Sir Trevor Brooking in charge of absolutely EVERYTHING.

He'd move the HQ from London to Birminum.
 




Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
19,397
Valley of Hangleton
My understanding of Cappello's remit when recruited was as follows:-

Sort the Goalkeeper out
Sort out Gerrad and Lampard's inability to play with each other
Sort out the Goalscoring
Sort out team harmony

touché
 


pasty

A different kind of pasty
Jul 5, 2003
30,810
West, West, West Sussex
He'd move the HQ from London to Birminum.

Don't have a problem with that. If you mean Wembley, personally I think it was a total waste of money in the first place. Playing International matches at various grounds around the country was much better.
 






SurreySeagulls

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Jul 9, 2003
2,460
Guildford
I don't get the question when they say let the Premier League run it. Why the fcuk would you let a bunch of egotisticle twats who only run the game for their own greed and whose players represent it without pride or passion. They only want to run it so their players are protected and their own clubs are protected. I don't believe for one minute they want to run the national side so they could actually win something.

The bollocks of they were knackered after a long season doesn't wash with me either, just look at those two tennis players who played for a little bit longer than the 90 minutes we ask those pampered idiots to put in is crap.

We have a fundemental problem from the ground upwards. We need to coach kids better and to learn to caress the ball not make 9 years old play on a full size pitch with full size goals. That just teaches them to lump it forward and they lose all their creative ability coaches teach them from under 7 upwards.

The FA is in decline and it needs completely revamping as it no longer has the confidence of people within football.

The nation stops when England play so it has to be addressed.
 




Shropshire Seagull

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Nov 5, 2004
8,662
Telford
The Premier League needs to have a cap on the number of foreign players like they have in first class cricket - European rights and Bosman rulling need reviewing and changing.

So more English lads play at the highest level in this country.

If this means an English team doesn't do well in the Champions League for a few years - so be it ...

A wages cap would be good too - anyone can live on £5k per week [£250k per year], so why pay more?
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
39,912
Pattknull med Haksprut
The Premier League needs to have a cap on the number of foreign players like they have in first class cricket - European rights and Bosman rulling need reviewing and changing.

It's made no difference to England being a mediocre cricket team though. There are plenty of opportunities for good English footballers to come through, the problem is that there are not many of them in the first place. [/quote]

So more English lads play at the highest level in this country.

So what, we had loads in '74, '78 and '94 and still failed to qualify.


If this means an English team doesn't do well in the Champions League for a few years - so be it ...

Will never happen, clubs have more clout than country, not that I could give a flying one about the CL though in the first place.

A wages cap would be good too - anyone can live on £5k per week [£250k per year], so why pay more?

Because there is someone willing to pay more. Why shouldn't a footballer be allowed to be paid what someone wants to pay him? We don't have wage caps in dentistry, banking, road sweeping or acting, so why single out football?
 


pasty

A different kind of pasty
Jul 5, 2003
30,810
West, West, West Sussex
The bollocks of they were knackered after a long season doesn't wash with me either

Me neither. There was a table in the paper the day after that was rolled out as an excuse that showed the number of games each England player had played, and the number of games each German player had played.

Not one England player had played a single game more than the German player in the same position. Not one. In fact the average number of games per player was HIGHER for the German side.
 


Colossal Squid

Returning video tapes
Feb 11, 2010
4,906
Under the sea
The simple bare balls truth of it is that we do not have the mentality and national youth facilities in this country to encourage players at the youngest age to develop the skills that can only be taught at an age pre 14/15.

POSSESSION POSSESSION POSSESSION is the key and it ALWAYS will be.

The England team is made up of players who look good (or at least better) in the Premiership for their clubs because they play alongside players from other nations who have developed the core skills needed long in advance and can therefore compliment our less gifted English players.

John Terry is the PRIME example. Works great as second line of defence next to Carvalho or Alex BUT play him alongside Matthew Upson and you've just got two panicking hoofers.

Gerrard has missed Alonso all season and doesn't have Mascherano with him on England duty.

Even Lampard, who has an astonishingly good goal record for Chelsea from midfield has Ballack, Essien and Malouda alongside him to compliment his work rate.

We are simply NOT producing VERY technically gifted footballers and if we ever want to then it goes back to the age old rant about sorting everything at a GRASS ROOTS level.

In fact you can even pull an example from our own team. Look at Calderon, formerly playing in the THIRD tier of Spanish football, and yet he's come here and pissed all over any right back we've had at the club for years and years. He thinks differently because he has been taught differently
 








Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,715
Uffern
John Terry is the PRIME example. Works great as second line of defence next to Carvalho or Alex BUT play him alongside Matthew Upson and you've just got two panicking hoofers.

...or not, according to this article.

Fewer chances for younger talent in a culture of fear - The Irish Times - Tue, Jun 29, 2010

Really good piece BTW. Perhaps it takes a non-English paper to be more objective but this is one of the best analyses of the English problem that I've seen
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,715
Uffern
It's made no difference to England being a mediocre cricket team though. There are plenty of opportunities for good English footballers to come through, the problem is that there are not many of them in the first place.

Cricket's an example where things have changed though. The ECB were fed up with being a mediocre team and implemented changes - including a reduction of prize money for counties playing too many Kolpak players. That's an option that was open to them, of course, it's not an option available to the FA.

So what, we had loads in '74, '78 and '94 and still failed to qualify.

Slightly misleading about 74 and 78 - there were far fewer European teams going through in those years. And no seeding either, so we were drawn in the same group as Italy for the latter.
 




Lush

Mods' Pet
As far as I can see, not knowing much about it, the premier league is far more powerful than the England setup so all the players' energies (physically and emotionally) are directed towards their Premiership Clubs.

The only thing that will change this is if the Premier League financially implodes and the power shifts back towards the FA, which in the meantime needs to get its f**king house in order.
 


KneeOn

Well-known member
Jun 4, 2009
4,695
It's made no difference to England being a mediocre cricket team though. There are plenty of opportunities for good English footballers to come through, the problem is that there are not many of them in the first place.

Is that the team that is now World 2020 Champions, and currently holds the Ashes? Thats not exactly mediocre.

Also, the changes made to cricket will tkae a few more years (AFAIK - i'm not a massive follower of cricket) to bare major fruits with more young players filling the gaps that the forigen players have left in squads.
 


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