BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
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Thank you for this reply and again I totally agree with what you are saying. (Apart from calling people ****wits - I am not convinced that this is the way to influence people).I do not believe there is a solid number anyone can give you, the Delta variant is better at transmission than others, and the difference between the number of viral particles in the breath of an unvaccinated covid sufferer and a vaccinated one are not large with Delta, however the vaccinated person will be infectious for a shorter period. Other variants, the vaccines are much better at suppressing transmission. The Delta variant will have arisen in a single person, and Delta is now the dominant strain in the world, and became so in less than a year after it was first seen in India, because it is more easily transmitted. The next mutation may make no difference at all between having had the vaccines or not, it may avoid triggering the immune response from the existing vaccines entirely.
An unvaccinated person is going to have the virus replicating many more times within them than if they were vaccinated, each replication can produce a mutation, and eventually we could end up with a variant that is better able to avoid the immune response the vaccine gives us, it is a small chance of actually happening, but the consequence could be devastating. We could end up with that anyway with breakthrough cases in vaccinated people, but it is ever less likely, with increased levels of vaccination.
My previous comment was blunt and not really fair, it is of course reasonable to look at the laws proposed and how their consequences, but it is the people refusing the vaccine that gives the impetus for the legislation, and the consequences of lower rates of vaccination are that more people will get covid, and some will need intubation.
I am not up to speed with the legislation being proposed in Australia, and maybe it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut. However, all governments should be looking at what powers could be useful in containing not only this, but the next pandemic, and where appropriate, making those laws available. most laws are in place on account of a relatively small number of ****wits in society, having a significant impact on the rest of us. Vaccine dodgers are mostly ****wits, and we may need to legislate for them, but I would prefer it if they just developed a bit more of a thoughtful attitude to it, and did the right thing voluntarily, they mostly know it is the right thing to do, but have these nagging fears from watching too many conspiracy nut videos, or alternative medicine practioners. I had one guy try and tell me that the human immune system was always going to be better than a man made vaccine trying to fight infections, totally missing the point that a vaccine just gives the human immune system a heads up on what might be coming it's way and totally relies on the human immune system to actually fight the virus.
There are always going to be people who resist this stuff. There is plenty of evidence and information out there about how to implement new ideas and change. The more reticent people in this scenario are simply a reality that has to be factored into the process. As are those who will not accept the change at all.
This leaves us a problem to solve. What is making me uncomfortable is the method our government has chosen to solve it. If they feel the need to use the sledgehammer then they simply must have the evidence to back it up. I am struggling to find the evidence that backs up their strategy. I understand the this is new territory for everyone but surely we are basing our strategy in something.
This particular strategy for solving the problem the more resistant members of society feels punitive and decisive. It is causing people to feel uncomfortable raising concerns about strategy. It is causing a whole load of name calling and dismissing of people with a differing opinion or viewpoint. I am just not comfortable with that when it is based on little evidence.
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