Gay Foster carers abused young boys

[Les Biehn]

I'll try to explain this one more time an maybe you''ll get it.

But first let me say I am an ex-scoutleader, I just followed on from being a venture scout.

Gays are banned from the scout movement, Those wishing to become leaders need to appear before a local pannel of "Tory types" before being issued a warrant. Probably for similar reasons as the one I will give.

The percentages that follow are not accurate just guessed but are there to show the issue is one of order of magnatude not a generalisation.

Say 10% of the population are gay. 3million.

Say 1% are pedophiles
=30,000

Say 1% of them decide to target child care=300

It is not unknown for some carehome pedos to top a 100+victims, take the scandal in NI whcih involved a protestant boys home(Forget the name, makes a change from preists I suppose).

Those 300 if targeted short term foster care could easily abuse 10 or more children, 3,000.

You are a f***ing goon who has still not come up with a plausible reason for banning homosexuals. 'This is a guess', well thats conclusive then, Looney made a guess. How about applying the same guess to straight people?

Why do you keep implying that because we are not convinced by you stupid argument we do not understand you. We understand, your argument is shit. Countering a shit argument does not mean you don't understand it.

The question is ,is it worth puting that number of children at risk of abuse to sate the desires of a group who by definition do not breed and who's expectations of parenthood are by definition limited?

Once again implying this group is deviant yet with still no evidence that homosexuals in general are more likely to abuse children. So do you think straight couples who can't have children should also not have the same rights as the rest of us?

There are other issues wrapped up in this as well, role models etc.

This is not prejudice, its about protecting some of the most vulnerable people who are powerless.

I'm sure you will continue to claim you are some misunderstood right wing genius who believes judging people on their sexuality is not prejudice but what I can see so far Looney this is just a load of prejudice rhetoric. And what are these other reasons.

 

[looney]

You are comming at this argument as if its a gay rights issue, it isn't, its a child care issue.

Its not comparable to heterosexual marrage as in marrage all parties are VOLUNTRY.

Why not open a thread/poll and see if people generally think it is prejudiced retoric?

Here is the main thrust of your arguement...

You are a f***ing goon who has....

Abuse


still not come up with a plausible reason for banning homosexuals.

Opinion

'This is a guess', well thats conclusive then, Looney made a guess.

Abuse and failure to read my post properly

Why do you keep implying that because we are not convinced by you stupid argument we do not understand you.

Abuse and beleif you speak for everyone.

We understand, your argument is shit. Countering a shit argument does not mean you don't understand it.


Abuse

Once again implying this group is deviant yet with still no evidence that homosexuals in general are more likely to abuse children.

This shows your inability to understand the argument. I guessed at 1% of gay people. How does this equate with a generalisation?


I'm sure you will continue to claim you are some misunderstood right wing genius

Projection of false dicotomy.

who believes judging people on their sexuality is not prejudice but what I can see so far Looney this is just a load of prejudice rhetoric.

Projection of false dicotomy.

 

[looney]

Oh and thanks for the rightwing genius comment, I didn't realise you had such an intellectual inferiority complex.

 

[Mr Burns]

I haven't read through everything here. But my answer in a word NO.

I don't thinks its right for a child, whether boy or girl, to be placed with 2 parents of the same sex. If one is a related by blood than fine, but I child having 2 parents, should have a mum and a dad. NO a dad and dad, or mum and mum.

Not only that, I don't think its fair on the kid. Think of the shit they'd get at school.

 

[Dandyman]

I'll try to explain this one more time an maybe you''ll get it.

But first let me say I am an ex-scoutleader, I just followed on from being a venture scout.

Gays are banned from the scout movement, Those wishing to become leaders need to appear before a local pannel of "Tory types" before being issued a warrant. Probably for similar reasons as the one I will give.

The percentages that follow are not accurate just guessed but are there to show the issue is one of order of magnatude not a generalisation.

Say 10% of the population are gay. 3million.

Say 1% are pedophiles
=30,000

Say 1% of them decide to target child care=300

It is not unknown for some carehome pedos to top a 100+victims, take the scandal in NI whcih involved a protestant boys home(Forget the name, makes a change from preists I suppose).

Those 300 if targeted short term foster care could easily abuse 10 or more children, 3,000.

The question is ,is it worth puting that number of children at risk of abuse to sate the desires of a group who by definition do not breed and who's expectations of parenthood are by definition limited?

There are other issues wrapped up in this as well, role models etc.

This is not prejudice, its about protecting some of the most vulnerable people who are powerless.

So, if 90% of the population are straight (27 million ?) and 1% are child abusers (270,000) and 1% target child care or other positions involving unsupervised access to children that is 2700. If those 2700 abuse 10 children that is 27000.

Now explain why lesbians and gays are more likely to abuse children than heterosexuals.

 

[looney]

I said Gays Dandyman. Most pedophiles are Male and most carers are Female, kids with straight couples suffer child abuse true but are not likley to face a pedophile ring.

Btw
Your not fit to have custody of children.

 

[Les Biehn]

You are comming at this argument as if its a gay rights issue, it isn't, its a child care issue.

You are suggesting homosexuals are more likely to abuse children, therefore children need protecting. I am saying that is inherantly flawed from the beginning because gay men are no more likely to abuse children than straight men

Its not comparable to heterosexual marrage as in marrage all parties are VOLUNTRY.

What so gay couple aren't both voluntry?

Why not open a thread/poll and see if people generally think it is prejudiced retoric?

Help yourself.

Abuse

So Looney is allowed to call people a retard, faggott etc but goon and the word shit have upset his sensitive ego. I'm sure you will think this is abuse but you my friend are a hypocrite

Opinion

So no one is allowed to challenge your opinion then. Hitler 'Kill all the jews they are evil' 'I think that might be wrong Adolf' 'Its only an opinion, now on your way

failure to read my post properly

Failure to understand you are backing up an opinion with a guess?

beleif you speak for everyone.

Belief that no one else understands what you are saying

This shows your inability to understand the argument. I guessed at 1% of gay people. How does this equate with a generalisation?

Because at no point have you suggested straight people also abuse children, therefore suggesting that only gay people can be prone abusing children

Projection of false dicotomy.

How is what I said a projection of a false dichotomy?

 

[Les Biehn]

I said Gays Dandyman. Most pedophiles are Male and most carers are Female, kids with straight couples suffer child abuse true but are not likley to face a pedophile ring.

Btw
Your not fit to have custody of children.

So a peodophile ring has no straight men in it?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So a peodophile ring has no straight men in it?

None im in

 

[Les Biehn]

None im in

Molesting yourself does not constitute paedophilia and one man does not make a ring.

 

[Les Biehn]

None im in

Oh and I didn't a paedophile's ring.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Molesting yourself does not constitute paedophilia and one man does not make a ring.

What if i keep shouting im 7 im 7?

 

[Les Biehn]

What if i keep shouting im 7 im 7?

Your mum will tell you to shut up, stop wanking and get back to bed.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Your mum will tell you to shut up, stop wanking and get back to bed.

and abuse me?

 

[Les Biehn]

and abuse me?

Yes. She will call you a stupid little pervert.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Les, abuse me - abuse me like you used to

 

[looney]

What so gay couple aren't both voluntry?

Yes but the child has no say. So irrelevant.

So Looney is allowed to call people a retard, faggott etc but goon and the word shit have upset his sensitive ego. I'm sure you will think this is abuse but you my friend are a hypocrite

I try to keep the abuse out of political debates unless I am started on. If I open a stupid thread calling people nerds etc you know what to expect.

Because at no point have you suggested straight people also abuse children, therefore suggesting that only gay people can be prone abusing children.

This thread isn't about straight people, its about gay pedophiles and the risks involved in legalising gay adoption/fostering which would give them more ready access to children.

Again you fail to grasp the main point. I am not suggesting all gays are pedophiles, I am suggesting the dynamics of the system will make it more likley that the bad ones slip through.

 

[Dandyman]

[B
Btw
Your not fit to have custody of children. [/B]

That's you back to the foundlings hostel, then.

 

[Les Biehn]

This thread isn't about straight people, its about gay pedophiles and the risks involved in legalising gay adoption/fostering which would give them more ready access to children.

Again you fail to grasp the main point. I am not suggesting all gays are pedophiles, I am suggesting the dynamics of the system will make it more likley that the bad ones slip through.

I have not failed to grasp the main point. I never said you are suggesting all gays are pedophiles, but by saying that gay people should be banned from adopting because of gay paedophiles but never suggesting that straight people should be banned because of straight paedos you are suggesting that child abusers only come from the homosexual community. If you think I am ignoring child care issues because I don't want to ban gay people then so are you because you don't want to ban straight people.

Looney, do you think in general society homosexuals are more likely to abuse children than hetrosexuals and if so why?

And you still haven't explained the false dichotomy part?

 

[Les Biehn]

Les, abuse me - abuse me like you used to

I don't like you know you have a hairy bottom.