Fuel Costs

[wehatepalace]

Please Sign the Petition
Petition to: Reduce Fuel duty to bring fuel prices back to an acceptable level.

 

[Robbie G]

What is an acceptable level?

Where would the government get the tax revenue from that is loses by reducing the duty?

 

[Rangdo]

I think fuel duty should be flexible to the price of oil. So as prices go up duty goes down and vice versa to maintain a constant price at the pump.

This approach might also make the governnment think twice about starting stupid wars against the oil controlling nations as it would push oil prices up and therefore their tax revenue down.

 

[wehatepalace]

What is an acceptable level?

Where would the government get the tax revenue from that is loses by reducing the duty?

Mate I was just posting a link. You don't have to give me the 3rd degree about where the tax will come from instead. If you are happy paying through the nose then don't sign it

 

[Robbie G]

Mate I was just posting a link. You don't have to give me the 3rd degree about where the tax will come from instead. If you are happy paying through the nose then don't sign it

It wasn't aimed at you.

They were just the two immediate questions that came to mind when i read about it. Thought others may want to think about them as well, hence the post.

 

[1234andcounting]

Mate I was just posting a link. You don't have to give me the 3rd degree about where the tax will come from instead. If you are happy paying through the nose then don't sign it

Ah, but if that's what you think, you should have written something more like 'Please sign this petition' otherwise it reads like an order. And you provided the link so presumably you agree with it. How are you going to persuade me that I should sign such a petition without some sort of rationale?

 

[wehatepalace]

It wasn't aimed at you.

They were just the two immediate questions that came to mind when i read about it. Thought others may want to think about them as well, hence the post.

Oh I see

 

[wehatepalace]

Ah, but if that's what you think, you should have written something more like 'Please sign this petition' otherwise it reads like an order.

:thud:

Oh and I've edited the original post just for you

How are you going to persuade me that I should sign such a petition without some sort of rationale?

I'm not If you don't agree then don't sign it ! Simple

 

[Gwylan]

The trouble with reducing fuel duty (apart from the loss of revenue) is, as the Guardian pointed out this morning, that it goes against everything that has been said by this government.

It's been made clear that 'green' taxes are there to deter people from taking excessive flights and driving unnecessarily, whether you to believe that to be the case is beside the point, that's what the Labour government (and the Tory opposition) believe. The message is simply this: high prices help deter driving.

If a government were to reduce duty then its message would be to carry on driving, in direct contravention of the government's commitment on climate change.

Politically, Gordon Brown might see the benefits in reducing duty but it would be a dramatic U-turn -after his one on the 10p tax - and could lead to trouble with the EU.

 

[wehatepalace]

The thing everyone needs to look at the bigger picture. It's not just the tax is it. Fuel prices are going up and we're all paying it but then the Haulage companys can't keep swallowing the increases, so eventually the costs are passed on to us. So we are paying for it twice.

 

[1234andcounting]

:thud:

Oh and I've edited the original post just for you

Thank you.

But I'm still not going to sign the petition. It's funny how people like market forces when they work in their favour, but not so much when they don't. Oil is a finite resource and so its price is likely to go up as supply reduces.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Thank you.

But I'm still not going to sign the petition. It's funny how people like market forces when they work in their favour, but not so much when they don't. Oil is a finite resource and so its price is likely to go up as supply reduces.

Less dependence on fossil fuel. Good thing. Probably only price will do that.

 

[wehatepalace]

Thank you.

But I'm still not going to sign the petition. It's funny how people like market forces when they work in their favour, but not so much when they don't. Oil is a finite resource and so its price is likely to go up as supply reduces.

A man of principles. A rarity these days

 

[Mr Burns]

The trouble with reducing fuel duty (apart from the loss of revenue) is, as the Guardian pointed out this morning, that it goes against everything that has been said by this government.

It's been made clear that 'green' taxes are there to deter people from taking excessive flights and driving unnecessarily, whether you to believe that to be the case is beside the point, that's what the Labour government (and the Tory opposition) believe. The message is simply this: high prices help deter driving.

If a government were to reduce duty then its message would be to carry on driving, in direct contravention of the government's commitment on climate change.

Politically, Gordon Brown might see the benefits in reducing duty but it would be a dramatic U-turn -after his one on the 10p tax - and could lead to trouble with the EU.

Yes of course its due to green issues just like the war with Iraq was to do with weapons of mass destruction.

Get in the real world. The ONLY reson they dont reduce it, it because its easy money for them. They've taxed us to f*** already, so at least with fuel tax they can claim its out of their control.

 

[Gwylan]

Yes of course its due to green issues just like the war with Iraq was to do with weapons of mass destruction.

Get in the real world. The ONLY reson they dont reduce it, it because its easy money for them. They've taxed us to f*** already, so at least with fuel tax they can claim its out of their control.

I didn't say that the taxes were for green reasons - I said that's what the government would have us believe.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Thank you.

But I'm still not going to sign the petition. It's funny how people like market forces when they work in their favour, but not so much when they don't. Oil is a finite resource and so its price is likely to go up as supply reduces.

Laazngenlmn...we have a BRAIN in da house.

 

[Peteinblack]

Damn good political debate in this thread.

I'm most impressed.

 

[wehatepalace]

Damn good political debate in this thread.

I'm most impressed.

It wasn't meant to be a political debate, merely a thread to let you know there is an official goverment petition for anyone that would like to sign it.
If you don't want to then you don't have to

 

[beorhthelm]

i dont want to sign it. because at the end of the day, its night.

and for all the reason already gone over. the only place it would be proper to change the duty would be for the haulage industry so that it doesnt feed into inflation so much. but then they should be encouraging use of rail more so we're back to square one. the point is really quite sharp. fuel is actually really insanly cheap and people will still drive to work and the shops on Sunday if it doubled, while all the other little trips add up to very little of the over all petrol consumption.

 

[Questions]

Save fuel and ban the car and go back to a real village life. One carpenter, one baker, one doctor etc, but 2 pubs in case you get banned from one of them.