- Aug 7, 2003
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Finland plans to pay each citizen 800 euros per month, regardless of income, in national basic income proposal
Is Sami Hyypiä running their economy?
Is Sami Hyypiä running their economy?
I started a thread on this a few months ago. It's a really interesting idea - Switzerland has a referendum on this next year - and it's being talked about by several other countries. I reckon it will be commonplace across Europe within 20 years
I started a thread on this a few months ago. It's a really interesting idea - Switzerland has a referendum on this next year - and it's being talked about by several other countries. I reckon it will be commonplace across Europe within 20 years
It's a very interesting and very progressive concept. I really can't see it happening in the UK though.
Something like this is going to have to happen in the UK. As automation takes over more and more jobs, there simply won't be enough employment for everyone to have a job if they want to or not. It's not going to be long before all taxi drivers, lorry drivers etc are replaced by automated cars. That's maybe 1,000,000 jobs gone? Then the knock on effect of automated cars. Why stay in a hotel when you can just get into an automated car, tell it to take you 8 hours away and have a sleep? So, there are less people needed in hotels.
Something like this is going to have to happen in the UK. As automation takes over more and more jobs, there simply won't be enough employment for everyone to have a job if they want to or not. It's not going to be long before all taxi drivers, lorry drivers etc are replaced by automated cars. That's maybe 1,000,000 jobs gone? Then the knock on effect of automated cars. Why stay in a hotel when you can just get into an automated car, tell it to take you 8 hours away and have a sleep? So, there are less people needed in hotels.
Why stay in a hotel when you can kip in a car? Do I really need to answer this question?
I think the long term reality will be it doesn't happen in the UK. My version is that most will have deserted the the green and pleasant land by then and left it to a small band of happy Little Englanders rejoicing in their black passports singing Rule Britannia to each other.
Depending which economist you believe, something like 65 to 80% of all jobs will disappear in the next 30 years (and not all of them will be replaced). There will be a global move towards automation and you don't think the UK will be affected? There are already trials for self-driving cars on British roads and they're widely expected to be available within 10 years. Amazon is already experimenting with drone delivery and there will be more robotics in general use. I really can't see why a multinational would introduce automation across the globe but leave the UK as it is.
My point was not whether the UK would be affected by automaton, it will. My point is that I cannot see the UK, with it's entrenched belief that all benefits are for scroungers, subscribing this scheme of handing out payments to everyone.
I disagree. I can't see it happening any other way. The UK has an entrenched belief in avoiding civic upheaval and I can't see a situation where, say, 5% of the populace is rich, 15% is surviving and the other 80% are living in poverty, is sustainable
I disagree. I can't see it happening any other way. The UK has an entrenched belief in avoiding civic upheaval and I can't see a situation where, say, 5% of the populace is rich, 15% is surviving and the other 80% are living in poverty, is sustainable
The technology destroys jobs argument is as fake now as its always been, After 6pm most of those who will be expected to pay for this will be online here and have their say..
. Why stay in a hotel when you can just get into an automated car, tell it to take you 8 hours away and have a sleep? So, there are less people needed in hotels.
I disagree. I can't see it happening any other way. The UK has an entrenched belief in avoiding civic upheaval and I can't see a situation where, say, 5% of the populace is rich, 15% is surviving and the other 80% are living in poverty, is sustainable