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ffs, had to put this up, have a read - no comment needed
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Woodchip
It's all about the bikes
Not even going to go through the facebook link. It's in the Guardian. The only paper I rate as worse than the Mail.
aolstudios
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read it & see if you change your mind
GingerBeerMan
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- Dec 29, 2011
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Why not just post the Guardian website version?
Lord Bracknell
On fire
... especially for those of us who REFUSE to have anything to do with the vipers' nest that is Facebook.
Police face racism scandal after black man records abuse | UK news | The Guardian
Scotland Yard is facing a racism scandal after a black man used his mobile phone to record police officers subjecting him to a tirade of abuse in which he was told: "The problem with you is you will always be a ******".
The recording, obtained by the Guardian, was made by the 21-year-old after he was stopped in his car, arrested and placed in a police van the day after last summer's riots.
The man, from Beckton, east London, said he was made to feel "like an animal" by police. He has also accused one officer of kneeling on his chest and strangling him.
In the recording, a police officer can be heard admitting he strangled the man because he was "a ****"[NSC Censor]. Moments later, another officer – identified by investigators as PC Alex MacFarlane – subjects the man to a succession of racist insults and adds: "You'll always have black skin. Don't hide behind your colour."
The Independent Police Complaints Commission referred the case to the Crown Prosecution Service on the basis that three officers, including MacFarlane, may have committed criminal offences.
The CPS initially decided no charges should be brought against any of the police officers. However on Thursday, the service said it would review the file after lawyers for the man threatened to challenge the decision in a high court judicial review. MacFarlane has been suspended.
The inquiry began after the victim handed his mobile phone to a custody desk in Forest Gate police station and told officers he had been abused.
Earlier, he had been driving through Beckton with a friend when he was stopped by a van containing eight police officers from Newham borough. London's streets were flooded with police who had been drafted in to contain the rioting.
The officers arrested the man on suspicion of driving under the influence of drugs and told him he was being taken to a police station to be searched. After being taken into the van, the man was also arrested for missing a previous magistrates court appearance. No further action is to be taken in relation to the suspected driving offence.
It was once inside the van and handcuffed that the man said he was assaulted by police. He described having his head pushed against the van window and said one officer placed his knees on his chest and began strangling him. "I couldn't breathe and I felt that I was going to die," he said.
The man said he decided to turn on the recording facility of his phone after MacFarlane allegedly made sexually explicit references about his mother and telling him he would be "dead in five years".
In the recording, the man sounds agitated; he raises his voice to complain about his treatment and in places insults the arresting officers. The verbal exchange lasts several minutes.
When the man tells an officer: "you tried to strangle me", the officer replies: "No, I did strangle you." The officer adds that he strangled him "'cos you're a ****" and that the man had been "kicking out". In relation to the strangling, the officer says: "Stopped you though, didn't it?"
Minutes later MacFarlane, who is white, begins abusing the man. After a period of silence, he can be heard telling him: "The problem with you is you will always be a ******, yeah? That's your problem, yeah."
The man reads out MacFarlane's badge number and complains that he had subjected him to racist comments: "I'll always be a ****** – that's what you said, yeah?"
MacFarlane replies: "You'll always have black skin colour. Don't hide behind your colour, yeah." He adds: "Be proud. Be proud of who you are, yeah. Don't hide behind your black skin."
Shortly before the recording ends, the man can be heard saying: "I get this all the time." He then tells the officer: "We'll definitely speak again about this … It's gonna go all the way, it's gonna go all the way – remember."
The man's lawyer, Michael Oswald, said: "By his own efforts our client has put before the CPS exceptionally strong evidence and we share his astonishment that the CPS have reached a decision that no police officer should be prosecuted on the basis of that evidence. We do welcome their agreement to review that decision and we now await the outcome of that review."
The CPS initially said charges should not be brought against MacFarlane because the remarks did not cause the man harassment, distress or alarm.
Grace Ononiwu, deputy chief crown prosecutor for CPS London, said: "Lawyers for [the complainant] have written to the CPS and asked us to review our decision. I have considered the matter personally and directed that all the evidence should be reconsidered and a fresh decision taken by a senior lawyer with no previous involvement in this matter."
Speaking to the Guardian, the 21-year-old was visibly shaken when recounting the ordeal. "It's hard to explain, but it makes you feel like a piece of shit – it makes you feel not even human," he said.
"I was glad that I had it on the recording. I knew that if I had it saved I could show that I had been abused.
"It's not right. We've just got different skin colour – underneath it we're all the same."
The Metropolitan police confirmed in a statement that it received a complaint on 11 August about alleged "racial" remarks and oppressive conduct.
"These are serious allegations; any use of racist language or excessive use of force is not acceptable."
The force said it had referred the case to the IPCC and that one officer had been suspended.
MacFarlane's solicitor, Colin Reynolds, said: "The officer has been the subject of an investigation, has co-operated in that and been advised he is not to be the subject of criminal proceedings."
Estelle du Boulay, director of the Newham Monitoring Project, said: "Sadly, the shocking treatment of this young man at the hands of police officers – both the physical brutality he describes and the racial abuse he claims he suffered – are by no means unusual; it compares to other reports we have received. What makes this case different is the victim had the foresight and courage to turn on a recording device on his mobile phone."
She compared the incident to the case of Liam Stacey, a student who was jailed for 56 days for posting offensive comments on Twitter after the on-pitch collapse of the Bolton Wanderers footballer Fabrice Muamba.
On Friday Swansea crown court rejected an appeal from Stacey, who used racist terms against other Twitter users.
When the student was sentenced in a magistrates court on Tuesday a senior lawyer at the CPS, Jim Brisbane, said: "Racist language is inappropriate in any setting and through any media. We hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law."
Scotland Yard is facing a racism scandal after a black man used his mobile phone to record police officers subjecting him to a tirade of abuse in which he was told: "The problem with you is you will always be a ******".
The recording, obtained by the Guardian, was made by the 21-year-old after he was stopped in his car, arrested and placed in a police van the day after last summer's riots.
The man, from Beckton, east London, said he was made to feel "like an animal" by police. He has also accused one officer of kneeling on his chest and strangling him.
In the recording, a police officer can be heard admitting he strangled the man because he was "a ****"[NSC Censor]. Moments later, another officer – identified by investigators as PC Alex MacFarlane – subjects the man to a succession of racist insults and adds: "You'll always have black skin. Don't hide behind your colour."
The Independent Police Complaints Commission referred the case to the Crown Prosecution Service on the basis that three officers, including MacFarlane, may have committed criminal offences.
The CPS initially decided no charges should be brought against any of the police officers. However on Thursday, the service said it would review the file after lawyers for the man threatened to challenge the decision in a high court judicial review. MacFarlane has been suspended.
The inquiry began after the victim handed his mobile phone to a custody desk in Forest Gate police station and told officers he had been abused.
Earlier, he had been driving through Beckton with a friend when he was stopped by a van containing eight police officers from Newham borough. London's streets were flooded with police who had been drafted in to contain the rioting.
The officers arrested the man on suspicion of driving under the influence of drugs and told him he was being taken to a police station to be searched. After being taken into the van, the man was also arrested for missing a previous magistrates court appearance. No further action is to be taken in relation to the suspected driving offence.
It was once inside the van and handcuffed that the man said he was assaulted by police. He described having his head pushed against the van window and said one officer placed his knees on his chest and began strangling him. "I couldn't breathe and I felt that I was going to die," he said.
The man said he decided to turn on the recording facility of his phone after MacFarlane allegedly made sexually explicit references about his mother and telling him he would be "dead in five years".
In the recording, the man sounds agitated; he raises his voice to complain about his treatment and in places insults the arresting officers. The verbal exchange lasts several minutes.
When the man tells an officer: "you tried to strangle me", the officer replies: "No, I did strangle you." The officer adds that he strangled him "'cos you're a ****" and that the man had been "kicking out". In relation to the strangling, the officer says: "Stopped you though, didn't it?"
Minutes later MacFarlane, who is white, begins abusing the man. After a period of silence, he can be heard telling him: "The problem with you is you will always be a ******, yeah? That's your problem, yeah."
The man reads out MacFarlane's badge number and complains that he had subjected him to racist comments: "I'll always be a ****** – that's what you said, yeah?"
MacFarlane replies: "You'll always have black skin colour. Don't hide behind your colour, yeah." He adds: "Be proud. Be proud of who you are, yeah. Don't hide behind your black skin."
Shortly before the recording ends, the man can be heard saying: "I get this all the time." He then tells the officer: "We'll definitely speak again about this … It's gonna go all the way, it's gonna go all the way – remember."
The man's lawyer, Michael Oswald, said: "By his own efforts our client has put before the CPS exceptionally strong evidence and we share his astonishment that the CPS have reached a decision that no police officer should be prosecuted on the basis of that evidence. We do welcome their agreement to review that decision and we now await the outcome of that review."
The CPS initially said charges should not be brought against MacFarlane because the remarks did not cause the man harassment, distress or alarm.
Grace Ononiwu, deputy chief crown prosecutor for CPS London, said: "Lawyers for [the complainant] have written to the CPS and asked us to review our decision. I have considered the matter personally and directed that all the evidence should be reconsidered and a fresh decision taken by a senior lawyer with no previous involvement in this matter."
Speaking to the Guardian, the 21-year-old was visibly shaken when recounting the ordeal. "It's hard to explain, but it makes you feel like a piece of shit – it makes you feel not even human," he said.
"I was glad that I had it on the recording. I knew that if I had it saved I could show that I had been abused.
"It's not right. We've just got different skin colour – underneath it we're all the same."
The Metropolitan police confirmed in a statement that it received a complaint on 11 August about alleged "racial" remarks and oppressive conduct.
"These are serious allegations; any use of racist language or excessive use of force is not acceptable."
The force said it had referred the case to the IPCC and that one officer had been suspended.
MacFarlane's solicitor, Colin Reynolds, said: "The officer has been the subject of an investigation, has co-operated in that and been advised he is not to be the subject of criminal proceedings."
Estelle du Boulay, director of the Newham Monitoring Project, said: "Sadly, the shocking treatment of this young man at the hands of police officers – both the physical brutality he describes and the racial abuse he claims he suffered – are by no means unusual; it compares to other reports we have received. What makes this case different is the victim had the foresight and courage to turn on a recording device on his mobile phone."
She compared the incident to the case of Liam Stacey, a student who was jailed for 56 days for posting offensive comments on Twitter after the on-pitch collapse of the Bolton Wanderers footballer Fabrice Muamba.
On Friday Swansea crown court rejected an appeal from Stacey, who used racist terms against other Twitter users.
When the student was sentenced in a magistrates court on Tuesday a senior lawyer at the CPS, Jim Brisbane, said: "Racist language is inappropriate in any setting and through any media. We hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law."
Sussex Nomad
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So let's take colour out of the equation a moment. He already jumped a magistrate court appearance. For whatever offence, why would you do that? The other bit that confuses me is he was cuffed and abused yet managed to turn on his phone and record this all... that is genius! I can't do that when I have free hands and not being assaulted/abused. It also says he insults the arresting officer(s). I wonder what he called them? And did he have a drugs test? And was it positive or negative? Sorry but personally I see this as media bandwagon jumping in order to sell a few more rags. Would be interesting to hear both sides and the bigger picture.
If, however it was as said and no other mitigating circumstances then this is completely unacceptable.
If, however it was as said and no other mitigating circumstances then this is completely unacceptable.
pastafarian
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why on earth did he deliberately skip a court appearance?
facebook and the guardian....... the powerhouses of fair and balanced.
facebook and the guardian....... the powerhouses of fair and balanced.
DanielT
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With you on that! Do you dislike Apple too?
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
There's nothing to suggest he deliberately missed it; people fail to turn up regularly and for a variety of reasons. When this happens the court can issue a warrant, either with bail or without, and then the defendant can be asked to answer a bail act offence. What shouldn't happen is that the defendant be duffed up or racially abused by the police.
pastafarian
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this is true,which is why i would like to know why he is one of "these people" that failed to turn up for court.
you have to be a fuckwit to forget you have a court date,so lets presume he is not a fuckwit and he deliberately decided not to go.......what possible reason do you think he has for not turning up? bearing in mind he also failed to notify anyone afterwards why he failed to turn up which would have meant he would not be wanted by the police.
happypig
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Who knows ? He might have thought it would get forgotten about, or that he'd get off by not attending, as I said there's a variety of reasons people fail to turn up at court but you'd be mistaken to exclude gormlessness from the list.
You are mistaken in thinking that if you tell the court afterwards the warrant will be cancelled; you have already committed an offence by not turning up. If you cannot attend you should ring (or write to) the court and explain why not. Whilst you have still, technically, commited an offence, they are unlikely to issue a warrant if you've made contact (unless you're a serial non-attender)
You are mistaken in thinking that if you tell the court afterwards the warrant will be cancelled; you have already committed an offence by not turning up. If you cannot attend you should ring (or write to) the court and explain why not. Whilst you have still, technically, commited an offence, they are unlikely to issue a warrant if you've made contact (unless you're a serial non-attender)
seagurn
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Typical Met police though, always above the law themselves ......remember Fulham
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Note the way the officer completely changes his language when he realises the detainee has his badge number.
aolstudios
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Police face racism scandal after black man records abuse | UK news | The Guardian
there you go - from the website, with the recording
Woodchip
It's all about the bikes
Read it. Still think the vast majority of it is shite. Typical Guardian drivel.
If this was printed in the mail would you be so keen to harp on about it?
That's a tough call right there.
aolstudios
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yes, of course I would
Superphil
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It's the bit on the headline that I find puts me off taking much notice of the rest of it 'Police face racism charge'. Surely that should be PoliceMAN faces racism charge'.
Then again, there are those who believe that the entire police force is racist and corrupt, so for them, keep Hysterical and Carry On.
Then again, there are those who believe that the entire police force is racist and corrupt, so for them, keep Hysterical and Carry On.
First of all it's three policemen involved, so it's not PoliceMAN.
Second, the way this affects the force as a whole is that the reason this has made the paper is that the police has already had this evidence and 'investigated' and decided that the officers involved should not face any punishment. This gives the impression that racism is acceptable within the police force, and that is the real problem, not the actions of individuals.