Sorry to hear that.
I suspect you have been the recipient of reproach from people I have on ignore.
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[News] Exploding pagers across Lebanon
- Thread starter Bozza
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I suspect you have been the recipient of reproach from people I have on ignore.
ElectricNaz
Well-known member
Yup. And they could have been on buses, in shops, etc....
- Oct 20, 2022
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Just to be clear about some actual facts here:
- (although I know you were referring to the lands of ‘Palestine’ prior to 1948) - but the land ‘Palestinians’ ‘want back’ NOW, is the illegally occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem which were invaded and occupied during the 6 Day War in 1967. It is ‘only’ the extremist jihadist fundamentaist terrorists that refuse to accept the State of Israel.
Repeatedly, Palestinians have recognised the State of Israel and it’s right to exist, as did the Palestinian Authority set up by Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin under the two Olso Accords in 1993-5.
The current and very extreme right wing government of Israel ie Netanyahu’s government propped up and literally held over a barrel by the fascist, Right Wing Religious Zionists in his coalition Government who are keeping him in power also want (‘Greater” ) Israel to be from the ‘river to the sea’ and free of Palestinians- it is a specific and well known policy objective.
No they weren’t. And no, they don’t.
Hamas never agreed to the working towards a 2 State solution which was part of the condition that the PLO under Arafat’s leadership, demilitarised and laid down their arms and what Arafat agreed with Rabin. Nor has Netanyahu or his Lukid Party ever wanted a two State solution which is why they financed Hamas to counter the PA in the first place. Rabin was subsequently assassinated by far right Israeli Religious Zionists not Palestinians or Hamas.
The PA (the ‘modern PLO’ as you call it) is still operational in the West Bank and they collaborate with Israel on security issues - Hamas just booted them out of Gaza and the Palestinians in Gaza haven’t had an opportunity to vote in an election since 2006 - Hamas has ruled the Palestinian population with terror and the threat of death and torture since then if any one challenges their authority or collaborates with the Israelis.
Again, all ‘Palestinians’ are NOT ‘terrorists’ and it’s a blinkered view of the current Israeli Government to suggest that any one side has the monopoly on extremism.
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
Here is one detonating in someone's pocket in a shop. Looks targetted to me.
Video appears to show pager explosion at Lebanon supermarket
Thousands of people were injured when pagers belonging to Hezbollah exploded almost simultaneously.
www.bbc.com
I said Hamas were elected.
"In 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas secured a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council by campaigning on promises of a corruption-free government and advocating for resistance as a means to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation."
I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists.
The rest of what you wrote is not a contradiction of anything I wrote.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,821
my answer is simple, they are all unacceptable. now you give it a go.
de la zouch
Well-known member
- Jul 12, 2007
- 532
What have do we hope when they teach 5yo to kill Jews?
de la zouch
Well-known member
- Jul 12, 2007
- 532
Now no walkie no talk 
I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse. Let’s make it easy for you. Israel gives a bad person an explosive device. Bad person is in a public place or driving when it explodes. Innocent people get hurt.
- Oct 20, 2022
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You are quoting selective (wiki?) paragraphs out of context though - Hamas were not elected to rule Gaza per se, they beat Fatah in elections for the assembly of the Oslo Accords’ Palestinian Administrative Assembly in 2006 - which had authority over Gaza and the West Bank/East Jerusalem and was pro-West .
However, Hamas then took over the rule of Gaza by violent force overcoming Fatah in Gaza in 2007 and booting out the PA from Gaza. More than half of Gazans are under 18 - one year old at the last election - only a fraction of Palestinians today voted for Hamas in the 2006 Palestinian Assembly elections.
I know you didn’t actually ‘say’ Palestinians were terrorists btw but you did say Palestinians want ‘“Palestine’ which is known as ‘Israel’ back” which implies they want rid of Israel which is a terrorist ideology.
‘Israel’ does NOT include the Occupied Palestinian Territories ( Gaza, West Bank, East Jeruselem’ ) - yet it is these territories specifically which Palestinians civilians want back /freed from occupation ie back to pre-1967 6 Day War borders - it is only Hamas and Hezbollah that want the land back ‘known as Israel’ - ie prior to 1947 borders.
There is a crucial difference in each agenda - one is an extremist fundamentalist Jihadist agenda and one is a civil rights/two state solution agenda.
I’m assuming (hoping) you were being ironic.
Anyway - I’m out - I stopped getting involved with discussions on Israel/Gaza on the Hamas thread as it became so polarised, overly biased and at times simply pedalling false information and becoming abusive toward people with differing views on both sides.
Some good background reading here
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Crawley Dingo
Political thread tourist.
- Mar 31, 2022
- 854
So the invasion of Lebanon looks imminent.
Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
- 1,013
It's often based off who the TV tells us is evil or who politically do we agree with, who is left who is right. Sadly most people when it comes down to it believe in collective punishment.
Indeed. Although it’s unlikely they’d have been targeted unless they were members of an Iran backed terror organisation. An organisation that was launching rockets at buses and shops in Israel. Will you condemn that?
Ike and Tina Burner
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- Mar 22, 2019
- 576
The next time a Hezbollah leader does a press conference will they use a microphone I wonder? Better not risk it if I was them.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Some civilians got hurt. That doesn't mean it was an indiscriminate attack. It obviously wasn't.
Edit: here's a video of one exploding in the pager user's pocket with nobody else injured
Video appears to show pager explosion at Lebanon supermarket
Thousands of people were injured when pagers belonging to Hezbollah exploded almost simultaneously.
www.bbc.com
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
So if Ukraine managed to sabotage and detonate the mobile phones of 3000 of Putin's chain of command to disrupt his ability to wage war in Ukraine that would be unacceptable to you? Is that what you're saying?
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To those defending Israeli actions above, take a look at the link below. Imagine if it were your loved ones sat next to these people……
Seagull58
In the Algarve
It didn't happen.
London Irish
Well-known member
Still making little jokes about kids being killed and nurses being maimed. Everyone can see what a sick, radicalised extremist you areNow no walkie no talk
10/10 Sherlock. Did you get a Masters in Stating the f***ing Obvious?
Maybe next time huh?
Know which mast your colours are pinned to.