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England vs Saffers Second ODI @ Trent Bridge
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Manthorpee
I'm Not Jake
83 all out 23 overs
3rd wicket for flintoff
great!! unbeliveable! spectacular!
3rd wicket for flintoff
great!! unbeliveable! spectacular!
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I think it's a bit much to give the credit to Harmison and Flintoff, Chappers. Broad didn't just bowl well, he knocked out their entire top order!
In fact what I think makes a difference for England is the fact that they have Broad and Anderson, two genuine opening bowlers, to open the bowling, meaning that they can keep Harmison and Flintoff for first and second change. There certainly aren't many other international teams that can do that with bowlers of the calibre of those two.
In fact what I think makes a difference for England is the fact that they have Broad and Anderson, two genuine opening bowlers, to open the bowling, meaning that they can keep Harmison and Flintoff for first and second change. There certainly aren't many other international teams that can do that with bowlers of the calibre of those two.
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Oh I'm not just talking about now but in general, your have kind of made my point there. There was a lot of pressure on our opening bowlers when Harmy and Flintoff weren't around becuase there wouldn't be much to follow. Keeping Flintoff and Harmison back means the openers aren't under that pressure and can bowl more naturally.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
Ah okay. In that case we agree! 
I think previously there was an over-reliance on bits-and-pieces players to contribute. For example going in with three pace bowlers, one spinner and 2/3 bits-and-pieces players. If the spinner gets whacked out of the attack after 4/5 overs (as happened to Monty on a few of occassions, and Swann occasionally), suddenly the part-timers have to bowl a minimum of 15 overs between them, while your fast bowlers also have to bowl their full allocation. Now, with 4 pace bowlers and 4 part-timers (although I would argue that Bopara, Collingwood and Patel could all, if required, bowl a full allocation), Pietersen has a lot more options to rotate his bowling. He also seems far more willing to do so than Vaughan was; Vaughan would experiment with maybe a couple of overs from a part-timer, but generally Collingwood got through at least 7 overs a match, every match.
I think previously there was an over-reliance on bits-and-pieces players to contribute. For example going in with three pace bowlers, one spinner and 2/3 bits-and-pieces players. If the spinner gets whacked out of the attack after 4/5 overs (as happened to Monty on a few of occassions, and Swann occasionally), suddenly the part-timers have to bowl a minimum of 15 overs between them, while your fast bowlers also have to bowl their full allocation. Now, with 4 pace bowlers and 4 part-timers (although I would argue that Bopara, Collingwood and Patel could all, if required, bowl a full allocation), Pietersen has a lot more options to rotate his bowling. He also seems far more willing to do so than Vaughan was; Vaughan would experiment with maybe a couple of overs from a part-timer, but generally Collingwood got through at least 7 overs a match, every match.
Perry Milkins
Just a quiet guy.
Ah okay. In that case we agree!
I think previously there was an over-reliance on bits-and-pieces players to contribute. For example going in with three pace bowlers, one spinner and 2/3 bits-and-pieces players. If the spinner gets whacked out of the attack after 4/5 overs (as happened to Monty on a few of occassions, and Swann occasionally), suddenly the part-timers have to bowl a minimum of 15 overs between them, while your fast bowlers also have to bowl their full allocation. Now, with 4 pace bowlers and 4 part-timers (although I would argue that Bopara, Collingwood and Patel could all, if required, bowl a full allocation), Pietersen has a lot more options to rotate his bowling. He also seems far more willing to do so than Vaughan was; Vaughan would experiment with maybe a couple of overs from a part-timer, but generally Collingwood got through at least 7 overs a match, every match.
What about our very own Skywalker?
Manthorpee
I'm Not Jake
Jimmy Grimble
Well-known member
If your giving a couple of quid away why not just give it to me, you certainly wont get it back from a bookie.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
Ooops I did forget about him when I was thinking about the bits-and-pieces players. But I'm not sure you'd want him bowling a full ten overs. Does he do so for Sussex?
Manthorpee
I'm Not Jake
got over half there score in 8 overs with 10 wickets left 42-0
imbarrising for SA
imbarrising for SA
Gazwag
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Cracking overs from Steyn 
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vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 28,186
I think you are right.. he's slowed up a bit and won't get enough to tip the balance..the extras they have given us are only one short of their top score !
JJ McClure
Go Jags
Just seen the little bit they showed on news at ten, great catch by Prior for Smith's wicket (I think). Why the chuff are the highlights not on Five until bloody midnight!