[Albion] Deniz Undav **Gone To Stuttgart 09/08/24**

[Stumpy Tim]

Strangely I met a colleague yesterday who lives round the corner from Undav in Germany. Apparently he's very open about his desire to stay in Germany even with people he meets in the street. I can't see him coming back to Brighton

 

[Yes Chef]

If Stuttgart want him, then they have to pay.

The only negotiation could be the structure of the payment, or whether we have an eye on one of their players, or possibly coaches.

They have Champions League football next season, they'll find the money.

It's a shame. Arsenal away last year is one of my favourite ever away games, and Deniz was magic that day.

 

[Stato]

Strangely I met a colleague yesterday who lives round the corner from Undav in Germany. Apparently he's very open about his desire to stay in Germany even with people he meets in the street. I can't see him coming back to Brighton

He's very much in a Ben White & Leeds position though isn't he? He needs the club to pay the transfer fee. If they do, then good luck to him and them, but I can't imagine that Stuttgart and Undav's agent don't know that they'd be wasting their time with any strategy to lowball Tony Bloom. No matter how many leaks are made to tabloid journalists, they'll pay what Tony thinks he's worth, or they won't get him.

Incidentally, some reports https://sport.sky.de/fussball/artikel/bleibt-deniz-undav-dem-vfb-stuttgart-erhalten/13121017/34942 have suggested that the necessary compromise will not be for us to make, but for Undav and his agent to make as his salary demands are outside of Stuttgart's structure. He may want to stay there, but if he also wants €5m a year, something will have to give.

 

[Mr deez]

Strangely I met a colleague yesterday who lives round the corner from Undav in Germany. Apparently he's very open about his desire to stay in Germany even with people he meets in the street. I can't see him coming back to Brighton

It's very easy for a player to say they want to stay when they know that is what the person wants to hear.

 

[scwiffy]

Strangely I met a colleague yesterday who lives round the corner from Undav in Germany. Apparently he's very open about his desire to stay in Germany even with people he meets in the street. I can't see him coming back to Brighton

My best mates neighbours dog is in the same dog walking group as Undavs dog and he says the shitty UK kebabs are a deal breaker. He said they'll only consider an offer if Brighton can send a plane load of German kababs each month to on offsite storage place close to Undavs house and deliver it to him each night in lederhosen.

 

[BadFish]

Will a change in manager (a manager that he must be aware of) change his mind, I wonder?

 

[Justice]

I'm always seeing people reposting tweets from that account on here, but I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything to suggest it's not just guesswork. Genuine question - Has it broken any news in the past that turned out to be right?

That account retweets Ed Arron’s anti Brighton agenda posts. Pissing in the wind.

 

[Baldseagull]

Do we? Not sure I know/knew that, when did he say this?

What do you think "For all we know" means?

 

[Farehamseagull]

Good price, get it done. Not good enough for us.

 

[Justice]

Good price, get it done. Not good enough for us.

Would probably score more goals than an ageing Welbeck.

 

[junior]

Shall we not be so selfish and think that this is a human being?
He's German, playing for a German team, just qualified for the Champions League and in the National Team. If he'd stayed in Brighton none of that would have happened.

If he's happy there and want's to stay, let's hope for the fella that he can. We'll get a good fee, which we can reinvest.

We're not missing out on anything, because he wasn't here last season, and if he was then he wouldn't have had the same season he did with Stuttgart with us. That happened because his stars aligned.

Good luck lad.

 

[severnside gull]

Will a change in manager (a manager that he must be aware of) change his mind, I wonder?

Not sure he’d be especially aware of Hurzeler - the gap between Budesliga and 2 Bundesliga is as big as EPL to the Championship with media coverage.
But I think your point is a good one. I suspect RDZ’s “expectations” didn’t help him settling here and he might well find it easier with the new manager if he has to stay.
The ball is entirely in Stuttgart’s court though. If they pay the fee set out in the loan agreement he will be their player and nothing we can do to stop it.

 

[Flounce]

Not sure he’d be especially aware of Hurzeler - the gap between Budesliga and 2 Bundesliga is as big as EPL to the Championship with media coverage.
But I think your point is a good one. I suspect RDZ’s “expectations” didn’t help him settling here and he might well find it easier with the new manager if he has to stay.
The ball is entirely in Stuttgart’s court though. If they pay the fee set out in the loan agreement he will be their player and nothing we can do to stop it.

True but as Stuttgart haven’t taken up the option yet I assume they are trying to hardball TB to get the fee down. I will be surprised if they get him for a euro less than the agreed fee when the loan started. He could well be back here imo. Some player horse trading could be the cause for the delay though.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

True but as Stuttgart haven’t taken up the option yet I assume they are trying to hardball TB to get the fee down.

Good luck with that one, the last person to try that is now unemployed despite thinking he was the second coming and was a shoe in to a big club.

 

[nwgull]

Shall we not be so selfish and think that this is a human being?
He's German, playing for a German team, just qualified for the Champions League and in the National Team. If he'd stayed in Brighton none of that would have happened.

If he's happy there and want's to stay, let's hope for the fella that he can. We'll get a good fee, which we can reinvest.

We're not missing out on anything, because he wasn't here last season, and if he was then he wouldn't have had the same season he did with Stuttgart with us. That happened because his stars aligned.

Good luck lad.

This is absolutely spot on. The 20m Euros is a good fee for a player that wasn't even in our squad last year. If we keep hold of him, he could end up having a mediocre season after which only have 1 year left on his contract.

If there's any substance to the various rumours, we could end up with an extra 40-50m in the transfer kitty without having sold any of last year's senior squad. I doubt there'd be too many complaints if this was reinvested to give us some depth in midfield.

 

[Superphil]

What do you think "For all we know" means?

Sorry, misread the post, was looking on the phone screen

 

[jcdenton08]

If they really want him they’ll find the cash.

 

[huzzah]

Emre Can had just replaces Pavlovic in the German squad, maybe Fab (Fabi? Fabulous?) use his connection to talk Deniz into staying. (I wonder if he is also good at french Music hall dances? - can Can Can Can? Can can Can Can!)

 

[Marshy]

just dont see him returning if Im honest. We cannot hinder, Pedro and Ferguson progress.
Who IMO are better players and have far more potential.

Love Undav though, get a good fee and move on

 

[pigmanovich]

Kicker reporting that our loan deal with Stuttgart includes a buyback option of slightly over 20 million euros (which is of course what Stuttgart must pay for Undav). If exercised, we would essentially pay a few million euros or so to keep him.

Brightons Rückkaufoption blockiert Undavs Wechsel

Trotz Kaufoption konnte Stuttgart die geplante Verpflichtung von Deniz Undav bisher nicht finalisieren. Der bisher unbekannte Haken: Brighton verfügt über eine Rückkaufoption.

www.kicker.de