David Miliband should be the next prime minister!

[pork pie]

As with John Smith and possibly Heseltine, David Miliband may turn out to be the best Prime Minister we never had. Certainly most qualified and experienced for the PM job on the opposition benches. He has a turn of phrase and clarity of thought his brother does not appear to possess and will be a great loss to UK politics. Also has ability to reach across the political divide in this county; something Cameron and Miliband jnr are unable to do and this is reflected in the opinion polls. I just wonder if Darling does well with the anti-devolution campaign in Scotland if he may not emerge as Labour leader before the next election.

No, you lot stick with brother Ed, it will make it easier to keep the socialists out.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So he is like millions of fellow Italians and supports a facist party. What is wrong with that? Better than supporting the Red Brigade in Spain for example, as far as I can see. Just because he is an Italian Facist, it does not mean he supports the mass extermination of Jews does it? What is Milliband's problem? How many did Starlin kill? But he is still a left-winger.

God, where to start? Millions of Italians do NOT support a fascist party. What is this party that you are referring to? The fascists do not have a power base in Italy.

The Red Brigade...it's based in Italy, not Spain. It is a paramilitary, terrorist group. Supporting them would also be unacceptable for a manager of our club...

Milliband's problem is that his family had to flee the nazis to escape persecution and the holocaust.

Stalin was a murderous dictator, and to liken the Soviet Communists to David Millibands slightly left of centre politics is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No, you lot stick with brother Ed, it will make it easier to keep the socialists out.

Cameron, Osbourne and Gove will make it impossible to 'keep the socialists out'.

 

[Ulloa]

Glad David 'GEEK' Miliband has done one. Remember him saying he wanted Iraq, Syria and Turkey to join the EU. Thank god he has gone.

 

[pork pie]

Cameron, Osbourne and Gove will make it impossible to 'keep the socialists out'.

Well, hard to argue with that, but the winners could be UKIP? Trouble is, people are too thick to remember how "New" Labour totally ruined this country for generations with their last attempt. That said, this lot have not got a clue how to put it right beyond the obvious of slashing spending on the Public Sector. But even then they don't have the balls to cut foreign aid.

 

[Southern Toon]

Instead of ending his political career he should be the next in line. The decision to step down from the Sunderland board due to De Canio's possible fascist lviews shows he is a man of principle. Hope he comes back to the fold.

So he decides to walk to walk over De Canio's facist views, but as a man of principle does not resign when one of his teams players has sympathies for a terrorist organization (IRA). Double standards me thinks.

 

[pork pie]

So he decides to walk to walk over De Canio's facist views, but as a man of principle does not resign when one of his teams players has sympathies for a terrorist organization (IRA). Double standards me thinks.

Lol!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, hard to argue with that, but the winners could be UKIP? Trouble is, people are too thick to remember how "New" Labour totally ruined this country for generations with their last attempt. That said, this lot have not got a clue how to put it right beyond the obvious of slashing spending on the Public Sector. But even then they don't have the balls to cut foreign aid.

UKIP have no chance of winning. They will split the Tory vote though. I feel that it's generally the incumbent party's election to lose and Cameron and Osborne's inability to deal with the economy, failure to deal with UKIP, general indecisiveness and their alienation of large parts and sections of the UK will see them turfed out of number 10 for sure.

 

[pork pie]

UKIP have no chance of winning. They will split the Tory vote though. I feel that it's generally the incumbent party's election to lose and Cameron and Osborne's inability to deal with the economy, failure to deal with UKIP, general indecisiveness and their alienation of large parts and sections of the UK will see them turfed out of number 10 for sure.

Spot on. Unfortunately.

 

[screamadelica]

Instead of ending his political career he should be the next in line. The decision to step down from the Sunderland board due to De Canio's possible fascist lviews shows he is a man of principle. Hope he comes back to the fold.

Why? every time he does not get his own way he spits his dummy out and throws in the towell,hadly leadership material.

 

[cunning fergus]

I said my dad could be a bit of a Tory at times. Thankfully, he was sensible enough to despise Margaret Thatcher - he never voted for them again after she took over party leadership.

Now...Ralph Milliband. Originally, as you say, he was named Adolphe. He discarded this name as he didn't want to be associated with Hitler in any way. You appear to have decided that his original name defines him, and that he had no right to change it. Some might call that a bit arrogant.

He escaped the Nazis, and arrived in England as a 16 year old. It was soon after this that he wrote about the nationalism of the English people - and you've decided that what he wrote is unforgiveable. Do you think that the English have always been cosmopolitan and outwardly welcoming of foreign visitors? As a young lad in war torn Britain who had suffered as he had, do you really believe that he did not suffer from some degree of nationalistic xenophobia? Being an island nation has always isolated us as a nation, and in those days there were not so many opportunities to travel and meet people from other countries. This, along with a couple of World Wars, was bound to result in nationalism and suspicion of foreigners.

But he was accepted by the nation as a whole, and by our culture. He obviously felt that he became British, as he never left.

He stayed, and developed his political views as a citizen of this country. Those views were generally very critical of the Labour Party, and he cut ties with the party in the sixties - so how he got his sons safe seats and step ups in the party is open to question.

He wanted to fight for the working man...why does this preclude him from being successful, and from owning property? Being a socialist does not mean that you have to commit to a life of poverty.

The Millibands may come across a bit Champagne Socialist, and I don't particularly agree with a lot of their views. But David Milliband was right to make a stand against Di Canio, after the history that his family have had.

His real name is Adolph, I will use it in the same way some people refer to Osbourne as Gideon..........like your Dad I am no Tory but I hate smug hypocrites who make arguments about how to refer to individuals when it suits them.

Now, Adolph was a Marxist, and therefore it is standard Marxist doctrine to abhor the nation state any any veneration of the state and its institutions (like religion or class) hence it was Marx's view that capitalist states should be overthrown by violent revolution. Marx himself referred to the state as "parasitic" and working against the public interest.

Marx wrote that the state acts as a repressor of the class struggle, a tool of political power and the basis on which the ruling class dominate the workers.

In the Communist Manifesto Marx refers to the state as "a committee for managing the common affairs of the bourgeoisie.

As a marxist Ralph Miliband would agree with all these sentiments of Marx, he argued in his own writings that the ruling classes was an elite that comes from the same background as the capitalist class. On that basis Adolph would never have accepted his nationality, it is an anathema to any Marxist........there is only class to be considered.....and only one of those is important.

By owning property, and (intentionally or not) working his way into an influential position he became part of the elite that he despised. If you think his two sons did not benefit from his influence to rise to their respective positions you are a fool.......the Labour Party is full of it from the new political dynasties of the Kinnocks and the Blairs to the longer standing dynasty of the Benns. Tell me why he was the best candidate for South Shields? He was selected for exactly the same reason Shaun Woodward got the St Helens constituency.

As for DM taking a stand, how much was he being paid as a non exec Director by Sunderland and had PDC not been appointed would he have continued to take the money despite being based in the US?

Looks to me like he is just like his old man full of Socialist bullshit whilst taking the money.........what a ****.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Well, hard to argue with that, but the winners could be UKIP? Trouble is, people are too thick to remember how "New" Labour totally ruined this country for generations with their last attempt. That said, this lot have not got a clue how to put it right beyond the obvious of slashing spending on the Public Sector. But even then they don't have the balls to cut foreign aid.

I don't think I have ever before found myself in the position where I have wanted to say something in support of the current government, but I would see it in their favour that they are maintaining foreign aid...... if indeed they are. i would still suspect it is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[ditchy]

Instead of ending his political career he should be the next in line. The decision to step down from the Sunderland board due to De Canio's possible fascist lviews shows he is a man of principle. Hope he comes back to the fold.

Nothing to do with him going to work in USA then !