Colston Four Cleared

[Is it PotG?]

I find that a lot of these extreme right wingers are angry little ****ers who can't leave anything alone, whether they understand it or not. The 'thumbs upping' is so passive-agressive. I can imagine them perpetually straining at stool, not sure whether to force it out or hold it in

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What an interesting thought process.

Still, whatever floats yer boat, or floater in this case.

 

[portlock seagull]

The crime of murdering 19,000 innocent people is far greater, this was clearly in the minds of the jury

Hopefully they will replace the statue with someone who represents the common good

Why do we need statues? Everybody’s cupboard contains a skeleton, everyone’s got enemies and we seem to live in a world now where nothing less than perfection will do. And you need to define that first! In other words, you’ll never get agreement on who is good and who is bad so best do away with altogether? Stick a tree up instead.
#SaveTheCement

 

[Acker79]

Stick a tree up instead.
#SaveTheCement

Oh sure. Glorify child abusers, why don't you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bbxNV7QY8

 

[drew]

The crime of murdering 19,000 innocent people is far greater, this was clearly in the minds of the jury

Hopefully they will replace the statue with someone who represents the common good

I'm intrigued as to how you know what was 'clearly' in the mind of the jurors?

 

[Is it PotG?]

I'm intrigued as to how you know what was 'clearly' in the mind of the jurors?

He knows why people vote what they vote for, why wouldn't he know such things?

 

[Sorrel]

I assume you hadn't got to my later post?

Now I don't think I've commented on the actual trial before, and don't think I have anything to add - the jury will have heard the evidence, been given direction by the judge, and come to their verdict. That is how it is supposed to work, justice has been done.

No - sorry - I will look now. Busy times mean I'm not on here for long and read the first few posts of a topic...

Absolutely agree about the trial. The jury were there and (thankfully) I was not. I really don't envy those on a jury.

 

[Acker79]

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[Baldseagull]

There are no historic figures who could be honoured for their good deeds. Who in history had all the right views about slavery, votes for women, homosexuality, and transgender rights? I suspect it is no-one at all.

I am not sure we have reliable opinion from most historical figures, we do know Colston was happy to profit from slavery. On the other hand, I am not sure how philanthropic other slavers were at home, so perhaps he deserves some level of note for that, and if in fact the council had updated the plaque on the statue to include the facts of where his wealth came from, instead of just "Erected by citizens of Bristol as a memorial of one of the most virtuous and wise sons of their city" it would not have caused so much upset.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think this is the rub for me. As I've said previously, this sets a defensive precedent for others that take the law into their own hands. For example, lets say Extinction Rebellion start torching cars on the basis that the use of those cars is contributing to the destruction of the planet and therefore destroying the cars is, in the long term, justifiable.

My view is it would have served a better purpose if they had been found guilty but given a token punishment eg fine 1p which would reflect the historical nature of what they did.

Again....I agree, but it may be the case that sentencing guidelines don't allow this.

Jurors, though. Fancy letting members of the public decide cases?

I would add that whereas a majority (yes, a majority; Das Reich is not representative of the majority) of the populace can see that a slave owner is probably not someone to be venerated, the same majority would not regard a family car as something deserving of immolation. Yes, extinction rebellion may decide to burn family cars, but a jury, even a raving left wing activist jury like the one, obviously, that acquitted the statue Criminals, is unlikely to determine that, yes, that Mondeo had it coming, the prefabricated mechanical barstard!

This thread appears to be manifesting the reciprocal of Godwin's law, whereby we start with an action against a racist, and end up condemning the action because what if someone decided that they objected to motherhood - we'd have to burn all the mothers! I'll call this Das Reich's law

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm intrigued as to how you know what was 'clearly' in the mind of the jurors?

Well it's difficult, but I'd imagine they were presented a compelling argument from the defence that a crime wasn't committed and agreed.

But of course, that is only my opinion.

 

[clapham_gull]

……so is Bobby Moores statue safe I wonder….

Did Magna Carta die in vain ?

 

[portlock seagull]

Oh sure. Glorify child abusers, why don't you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bbxNV7QY8

 

[A1X]

have you fired off another angry e-mail?

Didn’t know you could write emails in crayon?

 

[pastafarian]

You're just pissed off because the blacks won.

I also support their right to identify as black

 

[The Clamp]

I think this is the rub for me. As I've said previously, this sets a defensive precedent for others that take the law into their own hands. For example, lets say Extinction Rebellion start torching cars on the basis that the use of those cars is contributing to the destruction of the planet and therefore destroying the cars is, in the long term, justifiable.

My view is it would have served a better purpose if they had been found guilty but given a token punishment eg fine 1p which would reflect the historical nature of what they did.

I said earlier that I understand this point of view but don't agree with it. Extinction Rebellion have been tried and acquitted on similar charges. Doesn't seem to have sparked a wave in criminal damage.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ebellion-protesters-despite-no-defence-in-law

You say they should have been found guilty and given a token charge. But they were found innocent. So they should be found guilty and fined? Even though they are innocent? Just to appease people who don't understand the law and might attack another statue? Again. that is simply not how the law works.

Frankly, I worry that you have been on Jury service with that philosophy!

 

[The Clamp]

I also support their right to identify as black

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They identify as black? How do you mean?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

They identify as black? How do you mean?

Pastafarian is just being silly as usual

 

[The Clamp]

Pastafarian is just being silly as usual

Oh, I have no doubt. I was just wandering what he actually meant.

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh, I have no doubt. I was just wandering what he actually meant.

I think when you exhausted every other line of argument (and been proven wrong) you may as well throw identity politics in.

It's a "smell my cheese" moment.

 

[The Clamp]

I think when you exhausted every other line of argument (and been proven wrong) you may as well throw identity politics in.

It's a "smell my cheese" moment.