Cloned Cow in the food chain...

[clapham_gull]

.. according to breaking news.

BBC News - Cloned cow offspring meat in UK food chain, FSA says

Come to think of it, every burger I've eaten this year looked identical.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

.. according to breaking news.

BBC News - Cloned cow offspring meat in UK food chain, FSA says

Come to think of it, every burger I've eaten this year looked identical.

Must be a Groundheffer year

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm just reading a book on how "meat-free" meat products such as vegetarian bacon are manufactured.

Apparently the scientists have developed a new type of paper made from mushroom and corn.

They then simply feed it into a specially modified industrial photocopier with a slice of bacon under the glass.

Works with burgers too.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I'm just reading a book on how "meat-free" meat products such as vegetarian bacon are manufactured.

Apparently the scientists have developed a new type of paper made from mushroom and corn.

They then simply feed it into a specially modified industrial photocopier with a slice of bacon under the glass.

Works with burgers too.

That explains McDonalds burgers then...

 

[Seagull64]

 

[beorhthelm]

cue outrage, fear, bannings, boycotts, wont someone think of the children blah blah. we eat cloned veg and grains, dont see any problem with cloned meat. its dead eitherway.

 

[clapham_gull]

cue outrage, fear, bannings, boycotts, wont someone think of the children blah blah. we eat cloned veg and grains, dont see any problem with cloned meat. its dead eitherway.

Safety first for me.

I'll be photocopying a lamb chop to take to the supermarket as reference.

You won't find me buying one that looks the same.

 

[beorhthelm]

Safety first for me.

what safety? if it lived its indistingishable and as good as any other meat. arguably safer as it would have led a highly monitored life (well, up to its death...). cook it rare and with pepperorn sauce

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Presumably the people who complain about this are the same ones who eat chicken from battery hens which are injected with all sorts of chemicals.

 

[xenophon]

Puts a whole new spin on the term 'double whopper'

 

[clapham_gull]

what safety? if it lived its indistingishable and as good as any other meat. arguably safer as it would have led a highly monitored life (well, up to its death...). cook it rare and with pepperorn sauce

As I said, I'll be photocopying a lamb chop. You can't be too careful.

 

[glasfryn]

Don't eat meat ....................simples

 

[Collar Feeler]

So I grow loads of different veggies on my garden plot and sometimes harvest seeds from some of the strongest most vigorous plants to use the following year and get similarly strong crops. I'm effectively cloning my veggies from year to year. All they have done is take the DNA of a very strong healthy cow and then cloned it, I can't really see the problem. Same with gentically modified plants/crops, all they are doing are taking the best characteristics of various plants and using them to create the best crops they can. The way the media report it though suggests that by eating such food you will somehow have your own DNA modified and morph into some steroidal like monster human which is just bloody ridiculous really, still it guarantees some sensationalist headlines which flogs more papers I guess.

 

[Gritt23]

Surely cloning is no different to a test tube baby are they?

Does a girl born in such a way get told they can't breast feed any children they have?

So, what's wrong with the milk of a cloned cow?

 

[clapham_gull]

So I grow loads of different veggies on my garden plot and sometimes harvest seeds from some of the strongest most vigorous plants to use the following year and get similarly strong crops. I'm effectively cloning my veggies from year to year.

Surely that's a form of of selective breeding.

Cloning of animals is something quite different and far more controlled.

Some plants clone themselves naturally, but I'm not aware that cows have evolved enough to do it themselves.

For the record it appears that a third of cloned animals are quite mucked up if they manage to get through birth.

 

[clapham_gull]

Surely cloning is no different to a test tube baby are they?

I would have thought that was implanting sperm into an egg in a laboratory ? Cloning involves taking the DNA from one thing and implanting it into the cell of another.

Theorectically they could take your DNA now and re-create you in a thousand years time. That's quite different from simply putting your sperm in sperm bank to impregnate someone artificially later.

 

[Biscuit]

I really don't care if it's cloned or not. If it tastes good and it's safe, whats the problem?

 

[Gritt23]

Theorectically they could take your DNA now and re-create you in a thousand years time.

But it wouldn't be ME though, would it. Just the same DNA.

I think this is just a Daily Mail-type, whip everyone up into an unnecessary frenzy, sort of a story.

I won't be eating any fewer beefburgers because of it.

 

[Acker79]

Some plants clone themselves naturally, but I'm not aware that cows have evolved enough to do it themselves.

For the record it appears that a third of cloned animals are quite mucked up if they manage to get through birth.

Humans can clone themselves naturally. They're called identical twins.

Cattle have been cloned since the 80s.

What made dolly special was that she was from a differentiated cell (one that has a specialised purpose, in Dolly's case a cell from the mammary gland). Before then all cloning was through the undifferentiated embryonic cells (cells that have the potential to develop into any type of cell).

Embryonic cloning has been going on for quite some time, and actually with the cattle it started as selective breeding - getting the cattle they wanted with the right mix of genes then taking their embryonic cells to create others).


As for success rates, I don't recall what they are for embryonic cloning, but Dolly the sheep was one of over 200 eggs that were implanted with "reset" udder cell dna, I think something like 113 only survived that process, only 9 were successfully implanted into the sheeps' wombs, and only Dolly survived long after birth.


The point being the cloning that occured with the cows in the story is the sort of cloning that has been going on since the 80s and I think has long been apart of the food chain in america.

 

[clapham_gull]

Humans can clone themselves naturally. They're called identical twins.

Cattle have been cloned since the 80s.

What made dolly special was that she was from a differentiated cell (one that has a specialised purpose, in Dolly's case a cell from the mammary gland). Before then all cloning was through the undifferentiated embryonic cells (cells that have the potential to develop into any type of cell).

Embryonic cloning has been going on for quite some time, and actually with the cattle it started as selective breeding - getting the cattle they wanted with the right mix of genes then taking their embryonic cells to create others).


As for success rates, I don't recall what they are for embryonic cloning, but Dolly the sheep was one of over 200 eggs that were implanted with "reset" udder cell dna, I think something like 113 only survived that process, only 9 were successfully implanted into the sheeps' wombs, and only Dolly survived long after birth.


The point being the cloning that occured with the cows in the story is the sort of cloning that has been going on since the 80s and I think has long been apart of the food chain in america.

I think "naturally" is the important word there.

Thanks for the info, a bloke was talking about the problems on the radio last night. One of the problems is the size of new cloned animal.

When Alan Patridge talked about sheds full of big chickens he wasn't far off.