Christians cancel christmas

[REDLAND]

Another major mistake of popular Christianity is concerning the birthday of Jesus. The shepherds were sleeping in the fields with their flocks at the time of Christ's birth (Luke 2:8); they would not have been doing this at Christmas time, during the winter. Christ lived for 33.5 years and then died at the feast of Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - i.e. around September/October.

December 25 was originally the date of a pagan feast in pre-Christian Europe. The Acts of the Apostles records how the true Christians were badly persecuted by the pagans because of their beliefs. Time and again the apostles warned that because of this, some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs, to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them (e.g. Acts 20:30; 1 John 2:18; 2 Thess. 2:3; 2 Peter 2:1-3). The adoption of December 25 as a Christian festival is a prime example of this. Christmas trees, mistletoe etc. can all be traced back to pagan rites practiced on December 25.

It follows from this that true Christians should not celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25. In practice, true believers will make use of most public holidays, e.g. Christmas, to fellowship together wherever possible.

 

[oldham gull]

And your point is?

 

[Gazwag]

I believe christmas was invented by St Michael when he opened his first branch of Marks & Spencer

 

[Virgo's Haircut]

I thought Christmas was invented by Woolworths in Western Road

 

[Marc]

I heard another theory that the Star the Shepards followed was around in October not December. Imagine if they followed the MOON, they'd be going round in circles forever more

 

[oldham gull]

It was the wise men that followed the star from the east, not the shepherds.

 

[Marc]

yeah that'd be the blokes! Obviously not very wise if they followed the wrong STAR though

 

[Rangdo]

It's common knowledge that christmas isn't christian.

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.

 

[Titanic]

It's common knowledge that christmas isn't christian.

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.

It's EITHER 'common knowledge' or 'few people realise' - it can't be both

 

[readingstockport]

Perhaps he should have said few people acknowledge. There is nothing about the mid-winter festival, even now, that is christian. Even the christmas tree is a pagan symbol stolen and subverted by the christian church, as so much else has been.

 

[tedebear]

I'd heard that the star was a pub - and that's where we all must head at christmas

 

[Percy Tantrums]

This business of the correct date of the birth of Christ is a complete red herring. The date is set not because it is a literal anniversary of Christ's birth but because it coincides, in the northern hemisphere, with the days with the shortest amount of daylight. Therefore the symbolism of Christ being the light in our darkness. It also coincides with a pagan festival. This is well known, and is no problem to those of us who believe in the incarnation of Christ. The word for Christmas comes from the mass of Christ. If you want to celebrate a secular festival at this time of the year, then come up with a secular name for it

 

[readingstockport]

What, like Yule perhaps?

Thanks, we had the name long, long before you had anything. Thanks for giving it back.

 

[Wardy]

Celebrating a festivial goes against the teachings of Paul in the New Testerment anyway. Cannot recall the exact phrase or the place it is but i am sure it is in Romans and hes says something along the lines of...

Hold no day in higher regard then any other, but celebrate the glory of God every day.

 

[Titanic]

What, like Yule perhaps?

Thanks, we had the name long, long before you had anything. Thanks for giving it back.

But nobody has taken it away. Why does it need to be 'given back' ?

Lots of cards simply have 'Seasons Greetings' and a robin or snow scene anyway - no mention of Christmas. Why is it such an issue for you that Christians chose to celebrate Christmas at the same time ?

 

[The Great Cornholio]

There's going to be one hell of a court case when Jesus sues for breach of copyright. It will be Paganmas from now on.

 

[Juan Albion]

Another major mistake of popular Christianity is concerning the birthday of Jesus. The shepherds were sleeping in the fields with their flocks at the time of Christ's birth (Luke 2:8); they would not have been doing this at Christmas time, during the winter. Christ lived for 33.5 years and then died at the feast of Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - i.e. around September/October.

December 25 was originally the date of a pagan feast in pre-Christian Europe. The Acts of the Apostles records how the true Christians were badly persecuted by the pagans because of their beliefs. Time and again the apostles warned that because of this, some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs, to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them (e.g. Acts 20:30; 1 John 2:18; 2 Thess. 2:3; 2 Peter 2:1-3). The adoption of December 25 as a Christian festival is a prime example of this. Christmas trees, mistletoe etc. can all be traced back to pagan rites practiced on December 25.

It follows from this that true Christians should not celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25. In practice, true believers will make use of most public holidays, e.g. Christmas, to fellowship together wherever possible.

 

[Biscuit]

That is just the view of the Jehover witnesses.


Personally, give or take three months, it doesn't matter. It's about celebrating his birth, not nit picking with historical facts.

 

[Brovion]

This business of the correct date of the birth of Christ is a complete red herring. The date is set not because it is a literal anniversary of Christ's birth but because it coincides, in the northern hemisphere, with the days with the shortest amount of daylight. Therefore the symbolism of Christ being the light in our darkness. It also coincides with a pagan festival. This is well known, and is no problem to those of us who believe in the incarnation of Christ. The word for Christmas comes from the mass of Christ. If you want to celebrate a secular festival at this time of the year, then come up with a secular name for it

Well said that man. 'Easter' isn't a Christian festival either - in fact it's not even a Christian word and the date is picked on a distinctly pagan basis of a certain number of full moons. The origins are irrelevant, it's what individuals make of it that counts.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I don't believe in Jebus, if he could do all those things like turn water into wine the Romans would have kept him around and they could have done aynthing like fly and shit. I think the Bible is just one big story.