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KZNSeagull

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Nov 26, 2007
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Wolsingham, County Durham
Speculation on Sky that the two operations should have been simultaneous, but the supermarket one was delayed because other news crews were filming too close to the supermarket and had to be moved first.
 




Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,220
Living In a Box
Apparently they cut off phones as the two hostage sites were talking to each other hence trying to storm both buildings at the same time.

Terrible few days for the French, let's hope they can get over this atrocities
 


Publius Ovidius

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Jul 5, 2003
46,681
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There was a report in Iraq that the Americans, when capturing and killing insurgents used to smear them in pigs fat, and let it get out. This was seen as the ultimate blasphemy but the Americans thought it actually stopped quite a few attacks at the time.

They still haven't found the woman terrorist!
 








KZNSeagull

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Nov 26, 2007
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Wolsingham, County Durham
Apparently they cut off phones as the two hostage sites were talking to each other hence trying to storm both buildings at the same time.

I would not be surprised if the gunmen in the printworks were watching the special forces driving into the industrial estate on the tv and then decided to try to make a break for it as a result. Whilst watching these things evolving live is interesting, live tv coverage at these events cannot be helpful to those trying to resolve the situation.
 


Publius Ovidius

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Jul 5, 2003
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French media saying that there were two gunmen in the supermarket, the second an unknown male who has escaped!

That was reported as the woman who has got away.
 






Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Don't know if any other NSC's have done this at all over the last 2 days, but flicking between Sky News and and BBC News, Sky News in the main seems streets ahead.

BBC are often slow on new key news, have inferior footage, and have a series of their high-brow 'correspondents' or French policians brought out for pompous discussions.

In contrast, SkyNews appear very quick on the feet to new developments, have interesting live footage and give viewers new facts very promptly.

Just my observations.
 


Mackenzie

Old Brightonian
Nov 7, 2003
33,835
East Wales
Don't know if any other NSC's have done this at all over the last 2 days, but flicking between Sky News and and BBC News, Sky News in the main seems streets ahead.

BBC are often slow on new key news, have inferior footage, and have a series of their high-brow 'correspondents' or French policians brought out for pompous discussions.

In contrast, SkyNews appear very quick on the feet to new developments, have interesting live footage and give viewers new facts very promptly.

Just my observations.
It was the same story when that plane got into trouble a couple of weeks ago.
 


BobbySmith

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Oct 25, 2004
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Worthing
The BBC are a bit slower as they try and deal with facts before they transmit, it is well know within the Media circles. Sky shoot from the hip and sometimes get it completely wrong, BBC just look slow.
 




KZNSeagull

Well-known member
Nov 26, 2007
20,839
Wolsingham, County Durham
Don't know if any other NSC's have done this at all over the last 2 days, but flicking between Sky News and and BBC News, Sky News in the main seems streets ahead.

BBC are often slow on new key news, have inferior footage, and have a series of their high-brow 'correspondents' or French policians brought out for pompous discussions.

In contrast, SkyNews appear very quick on the feet to new developments, have interesting live footage and give viewers new facts very promptly.

Just my observations.

Sky often get things wrong though. They want to be first to announce something but sometimes I get the impression that they do not check properly first beforehand. They are good at "ambulance chasing", but overdo it as a result sometimes. I remember some incident quite recently where they were banging on about something serious may have happened and they went into "no advert, blanket coverage mode" and it turned out to be nothing at all.
 












hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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I would not be surprised if the gunmen in the printworks were watching the special forces driving into the industrial estate on the tv and then decided to try to make a break for it as a result. Whilst watching these things evolving live is interesting, live tv coverage at these events cannot be helpful to those trying to resolve the situation.

If they were bothered, they'd have simply cut off the power to the building, surely.
 


Confirmed that neither lot tried a Butch and Sundance moment - both were planned raids by French police, obviously with mixed success
 




Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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Norfolk
If they were bothered, they'd have simply cut off the power to the building, surely.

Quite. It's also an option to shut down local mobile phone networks and impose intense electronic countermeasures on the immediate area in order to suppress communications equipment such as mobile phones a) to disrupt signals to explosive devices and b) to prevent communication with accomplices who might be co-ordinating tactics and remotely feeding back information about the police siege.

Conversely as in this case it may have been considered a higher priority to allow mobile phone calls, for example to eavesdrop and potentially trace unknown accomplices. So not always a straightforward decision.
 


Soulman

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Oct 22, 2012
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Quite. It's also an option to shut down local mobile phone networks and impose intense electronic countermeasures on the immediate area in order to suppress communications equipment such as mobile phones a) to disrupt signals to explosive devices and b) to prevent communication with accomplices who might be co-ordinating tactics and remotely feeding back information about the police siege.

Conversely as in this case it may have been considered a higher priority to allow mobile phone calls, for example to eavesdrop and potentially trace unknown accomplices. So not always a straightforward decision.

Holed up in a printworks and surrounded by police, killers Said and Cherif Kouachi were unaware that commandos were being tipped off about their every move.

For, hidden in a cardboard box just yards away was 27-year-old Lilian Lepere.

And he was able to alert police about the location of the gunmen and the layout of the building.

For more than six hours the graphic designer passed on crucial information until the siege ended in a bloody shootout as the terrorist brothers, who had vowed to die as martyrs, burst out from their lair all guns blazing and were mown down in a hail of bullets.
 


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