Budget 2009 - Cameron DESTROYING Darling and Brown.

[Buzzer]

Right. A few thoughts from chairman Buzzer

The mail and telegraph are far from Tory papers. The editors of both are supporters of Brown and he has seen a very easy ride from them in comparison to others. Just look at the way the guardian and the times dealt with smeargate compared with the telegraph. Paul Staines has made an FOI request to the treasury trying to implicate the paper and the Walters mentioned by Draper in the emails from McBride is the chief political writer.

What would the Tories do in brown's position? As with that Irish directions gag "they wouldn't start from here". The Tories would never have expanded the public sector to the extent that Labour have for a start. But basically they will have to cut public services. I hope as well that they abolish regional parliaments. Give them the vote on independence and be done with it once and for all. Secondly, seriously cut back on quangos. There are far too many. Case in point, there is a pensions regulator, a pensions advisory service, a pensions protection fund, a pensions service and the FSA. No need for all those.


Simplify government and it's purpose. Less laws and more principles. No Id cards, less snooping, less trying to tell us how to run our lives. I read somewhere that the government is now the 3rd biggest advertiser in Britain.
Public sector salaries is another target. Historically these were low but especially with the newer bodies salaries are commensurate with the private sector. Therefore generous pensions and holidays should be cut back to the private sector levels.

The government needs to encourage private enterprise. Simplify the tax regimes and have 2 year tax holidays for start up companies. Do something to stop the behemoths like Tesco destroying local trade and screwi g their suppliers.


And finally take up the German model which is to tell it's citizens that we all need to tighten our belts and stop relying on borrowing.

 

[coventrygull]

Well I guess in the grand scheme of things I'm a young'un (23) so wasn't there for the "good old days". Perhaps if I was older I'd agree more with the term "Broken Britain".

The good old days that I am talking about is the very recent past. The past twenty odd years have been an orgy of greed based on credit. It couldn't last. Now we ar going to pay a heavy price.

 

[Questions]

I wasn`t sure what side of the fence to come down on so i have just posted a picture of a lovely lady with nice breasts.

 

[coventrygull]

Public sector salaries is another target. Historically these were low but especially with the newer bodies salaries are commensurate with the private sector. Therefore generous pensions and holidays should be cut back to the private sector levels.

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Oi leave my 8 weeks holiday alone

 

[Buzzer]

I'd also tax plastic premiershite fans an extra tax on their footie shirts and beer. Can't prove a link to the club then bosh, you're taxed.

Seriously, whichever way you look at it, we need to make huge cuts into the public purse.

 

[coventrygull]

I'd also tax plastic premiershite fans an extra tax on their footie shirts and beer. Can't prove a link to the club then bosh, you're taxed.

Seriously, whichever way you look at it, we need to make huge cuts into the public purse.

Would that include social services and the NHS?

 

[Gwylan]

Right. A few thoughts from chairman Buzzer

The mail and telegraph are far from Tory papers. The editors of both are supporters of Brown and he has seen a very easy ride from them in comparison to others. Just look at the way the guardian and the times dealt with smeargate compared with the telegraph. Paul Staines has made an FOI request to the treasury trying to implicate the paper and the Walters mentioned by Draper in the emails from McBride is the chief political writer.

What would the Tories do in brown's position? As with that Irish directions gag "they wouldn't start from here". The Tories would never have expanded the public sector to the extent that Labour have for a start. But basically they will have to cut public services. I hope as well that they abolish regional parliaments. Give them the vote on independence and be done with it once and for all. Secondly, seriously cut back on quangos. There are far too many. Case in point, there is a pensions regulator, a pensions advisory service, a pensions protection fund, a pensions service and the FSA. No need for all those.


Simplify government and it's purpose. Less laws and more principles. No Id cards, less snooping, less trying to tell us how to run our lives. I read somewhere that the government is now the 3rd biggest advertiser in Britain.
Public sector salaries is another target. Historically these were low but especially with the newer bodies salaries are commensurate with the private sector. Therefore generous pensions and holidays should be cut back to the private sector levels.

The government needs to encourage private enterprise. Simplify the tax regimes and have 2 year tax holidays for start up companies. Do something to stop the behemoths like Tesco destroying local trade and screwi g their suppliers.


And finally take up the German model which is to tell it's citizens that we all need to tighten our belts and stop relying on borrowing.

Apart from disagreeing about the Mail and the Torygraph - if you think they're Labour supporting, then you have some strange ideas - there's not too much that I disagree with you on this - particularly on start-ups and the obsession with snooping.

I certainly think we need to move away from the centralism that was started by Thatcher and continued with relish by Labour - it's led to a monolithic culture that doesn't help the country.

Weirdly, I do think the Lib Dems are closest to getting us on the right track. They have no chance of getting elected though so it will be more of the same.

 

[Buzzer]

Yes and no, CG. Each department submits a split auditable budget. Frontline services and non-essential ancillary. The frontline services budgets can be ring-fenced and no transfers allowed between the two pots. You make the cuts in the non-essential budget. Ringfencing is quite common in the not for profit sector especially charities who have specific spending instructions from some donors.

 

[Buzzer]

Gwylan. I kid you not. It's a running joke in Whitehall that Paul Dacre at the mail and the Barclay Brothers at the telegraph have been trying to steer the papers to a more pro Labour line. Don't believe me? Check any of the political blogs especially Guido's.

 

[simonsimon]

At last a budget based on true socialist principles.

Looking forward to a another 5 years of power, this time under OLD LABOUR POLICIES.

Wait till the pictures of George Osborne and his bullingdom club pals using high class prostitutes are published.

That is when Cocaine Cameron and his elitist pals will be blown out of the water.

 

[Gwylan]

Gwylan. I kid you not. It's a running joke in Whitehall that Paul Dacre at the mail and the Barclay Brothers at the telegraph have been trying to steer the papers to a more pro Labour line. Don't believe me? Check any of the political blogs especially Guido's.

I read all the papers pretty much every day so I see the stories. They don't look very Labour to me

 

[Buzzer]

Definitely LESS torycentric especially the telegraph. Guido believes that it broke a non disclosure agreement to tip off McBride and try to avert government embarrassment.

Very odd the stance by the papers. They know their readers wouldn't agree to open support but covertly it happens. Cameron is getting a very soft ride from the Guardian editor recently. Don't confuse the slant of the news with the musings of their columnists.

 

[drew]

To be honest I would rather stick pins in my eyes than watch a load of theiving weirdos behaving like spoilt kids, shouting over the top of each other and not listening to what anyone else has to say, whilst inventing more ways in which they can take more money of us to pay for second houses which they never use, porn films, bbq sets, etc.

Unfortunately the behaviour of MPs on both sides of the house sets low standards for the rest of us to follow.

The 50% tax band will raise approx £1bn a year... the govt are planning, even with their quite fanciful growth forecasts at 3.5% in 2012/3/4, borrowing over the next 4 years of £600,000,000,000.

The fuel duty rise will raise £1.8bn a year, from every business, working person, pensioner etc...

The high rate tax change is the class politics of ENVY and SPIN and nothing else.

Class politics. What is it that the tories say will be the first thing they do in power, raise the Inheritance tax threshold to £1,000,000. Does this benefit all classes within society or only the very rich. I would say most of the people that whinge on about IHT that I hear on the radio, don't fully understand how it operates. They think it's going to apply to them not realising that in most cases, you have a threshold of £750k.

Right. A few thoughts from chairman Buzzer

The mail and telegraph are far from Tory papers. The editors of both are supporters of Brown and he has seen a very easy ride from them in comparison to others. Just look at the way the guardian and the times dealt with smeargate compared with the telegraph. Paul Staines has made an FOI request to the treasury trying to implicate the paper and the Walters mentioned by Draper in the emails from McBride is the chief political writer.

What would the Tories do in brown's position? As with that Irish directions gag "they wouldn't start from here". The Tories would never have expanded the public sector to the extent that Labour have for a start. But basically they will have to cut public services. I hope as well that they abolish regional parliaments. Give them the vote on independence and be done with it once and for all. Secondly, seriously cut back on quangos. There are far too many. Case in point, there is a pensions regulator, a pensions advisory service, a pensions protection fund, a pensions service and the FSA. No need for all those.


Simplify government and it's purpose. Less laws and more principles. No Id cards, less snooping, less trying to tell us how to run our lives. I read somewhere that the government is now the 3rd biggest advertiser in Britain.
Public sector salaries is another target. Historically these were low but especially with the newer bodies salaries are commensurate with the private sector. Therefore generous pensions and holidays should be cut back to the private sector levels.

The government needs to encourage private enterprise. Simplify the tax regimes and have 2 year tax holidays for start up companies. Do something to stop the behemoths like Tesco destroying local trade and screwi g their suppliers.


And finally take up the German model which is to tell it's citizens that we all need to tighten our belts and stop relying on borrowing.

What I don't understand is all these people banging on about the nanny state and whatever and that they should stop interfering but, surely if they had interferred more we wouldn't be in this mess. The Tories are, as far as I am aware, for less regulation and more of a free market but isn't the fact that there was insufficient regulation of the financial markets the reason we are currently in this recession.

You blame the government for not controlling the money markets who, left unregulated would probably be in more of a mess, but then want less of the proverbial nanny state.

You can't have your cake and eat, although of course Freddie Goodwin can.

 

[drew]

And another thing, am I abnormal because I find it very strange that there are some posters on here that appear to be on the verge of ejaculation at the very sight of their favourite MPs!!!!!

 

[Buzzer]

It's not the markets that create the public sector or tax and spend. Better regulation doesn't mean more regulations either.

The £600bn bill is courtesy of this government. Not the Market.

 

[franks brother]

I despise the Tory party but must admit that Cameron wiped the floor with Brown and company.

Some of his put downs were hilarious and completely to the point

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I read all the papers pretty much every day so I see the stories. They don't look very Labour to me

Likewise. The Torygraph is probably a little softer these days but to suggest the Mail and The Telegraph are Labour is pushing things a little.

 

[Buzzer]

I never said they were pro labour. Only that influential labour people were trying to push it in that direction. Torygraph readers are leaving for the Times (myself included) since the Barclays took over

 

[NMH]

The FIRST to howl and yell from the hilltop in decrying a Labour budget HAS to be the Tories.
Yes, those who "thanked God for Mrs Thatcher" she who deregulated banks in the first place! And he claimed they would "do some things that would not necessarily be popular (yes, he means RAISING TAXES. Except he meant doing it for the poorer sector, not for the rich)

Has everyone commenting on this budget actually had a look at it?
What did Cameron actually say to address the issues - aside from his rhetorical invective about "this government incumbent for the worst recession since the war" or whatever.
Cameron has NOTHING TO SAY!
Fact.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Right. A few thoughts from chairman Buzzer

The mail and telegraph are far from Tory papers.

I'm sorry I couldn't get any farther through your post for laughing.