[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

You mean am I asking whether you should consider that a solution might be to have a similar relationship to the EU as Norway, Iceland and Switzerland, none of whom are in the EU, and all of whom are dependent on their near neighbours for trade, none of whom incidentally also have to contend with an internationally binding border treaty to boot?

Yes, yes I am.

It was 51.9 v 48.1. If you want something more extreme, you better be prepared to go back to the people and ask them now that they are all better informed of what is at stake. You won't do that though, because it doesn't suit your beliefs. A huge majority in this country believes that a no deal Brexit will have disastrous consequences for the nation and that is a fact.

No i wasnt, i was asking if you wanted us to be in both the single market and the customs union when we are out of the EU, with all the caveats like the primacy of the ECJ and free movement. I was not asking about Norway, Iceland and Switzerland none of who are in both

If Brexit doesn't happen, I wonder who you'll blame?

I ask because you have told us you're a committed socialist, yet Jeremy Corbyn is now committed to ensuring no deal doesn't happen. Will it be his fault or are you going to continue blaming centralist remainer MPs because they consistently vote down propositions that this absolutely dreadful, incompetent, lying, hypocritical, self serving bunch of Tory politicians that represent the worst government(s) arguably in centuries?

Leave won. This was all so avoidable if the Tories had managed this even half-way competently.

You have me confused with someone else, i am not a committed socialist

 

[Mellotron]

So we agree then, we should Leave and the people who say Brexit must be stopped and we dont leave are knobbers.
We just disagree on how to leave.......this is progress of sorts, but welcome to club Leave

Have always said I was fine with a very soft Brexit, as that most closely reflected the “will of the people” - dumb phrase.

I haven’t joined any club. My position has been consistent from day one.

 

[Simster]

No i wasnt, i was asking if you wanted us to be in both the single market and the customs union when we are out of the EU, with all the caveats like the primacy of the ECJ and free movement. I was not asking about Norway, Iceland and Switzerland none of who are in both

No, you weren't asking about those countries. I was the one doing the asking, I asked you to consider that we ought to have an arrangement similar to theirs. I thought that was crystal clear but I'll rephrase for you: Would you consider a solution that leaves us in a EFTA-like position vis-a-vis the EU?

You have me confused with someone else, i am not a committed socialist

Ah so you're a bullshitter as well as deluded then:

http://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread&p=8765647#post8765647

Maybe you should have said you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with your ruling-class bullshitting hypocritical comrades, Johnson and Gove. Would have been far more clear what you meant.


Oh and you still haven't answered the question as to who you'll blame if it doesn't happen.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

it pretty much is, thats the point of the single market. the twitter you link to discussed the input EFTA members have on EU legislation, not what happens once a law, directive is passed. for alignment, they must be passed in national leglistation, if not adopted automatically through existing secondary instruments. (not against this, just making the point this is what being in single market entails)

So the distinction between the ECJ and the EFTA Court is what .... ?

Actually, don't bother. I already know, and I'm not going to get sucked into the Brexit arguing death spiral.


We'll get what we are given. C'est la vie, argue amongst yourselves.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Dr Nicholl is the doctor who contributed to Yellow Hammer. The government is stockpiling bodybags.

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How many deaths are acceptable for the zealots ?

 

[pastafarian]

With a no deal, our tariffs will be zero under WTO rules. Other countries can put whatever tariffs they want onto goods they sell us, so prices will rise.

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Oh dear lord,
Our tariffs will be what we set, they are not subject to what the WTO determines under their “rules”. We can set any import rate we want as long as they match or are under the bound rates we have submitted as part of our commitment to the maximum rate in our WTO schedule.
The WTO does not set our import tariff rates, we do
The current applied tariff rates that we have set in the event of no deal (which are temporary and adjustable) have 87% of imports by value being tariff-free not 100% as you are saying.
Import tariffs are for imports, countries do not set export tariffs on their own goods that they obviously wish to export to us or anyone else free of tariffs.We determine what tariffs apply to goods coming into the country.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Dr Nicholl is the doctor who contributed to Yellow Hammer. The government is stockpiling bodybags.

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I listened to the radio clip someone recently posted of Dr Nicholl and have now watched this TV clip and I have to say he doesn't come across as convincing. At no point has he managed to explain why MORE body bags would be needed. The implications in his interviews and in some of the anti-Brexit press is that it's because Brexit will cause an increase in deaths - despite there being not a single shred of evidence of this. Of course what could be an equally plausible, actually more plausible, explanation is that the UK buys it's body bags from an EU country and that it's sensible contingency planning just in case of delays to make sure we have some extra stock. But of cause that explanation doesn't have the same fear factor.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I listened to the radio clip someone recently posted of Dr Nicholl and have now watched this TV clip and I have to say he doesn't come across as convincing. At no point has he managed to explain why MORE body bags would be needed. The implications in his interviews and in some of the anti-Brexit press is that it's because Brexit will cause an increase in deaths - despite there being no a single shred of evidence of this. Of course what could be an equally plausible, actually more plausible, explanation is that the UK buys it's body bags from an EU country and that it's sensible contingency planning just in case of delays to make sure we have some extra stock. But of cause that explanation doesn't have the same fear factor.

He is a neurologist who specialises in epilepsy. Epileptics rely on specific drugs which could be in short supply after a no deal. He has explained this.

 

[pastafarian]

No, you weren't asking about those countries. I was the one doing the asking, I asked you to consider that we ought to have an arrangement similar to theirs. I thought that was crystal clear but I'll rephrase for you: Would you consider a solution that leaves us in a EFTA-like position vis-a-vis the EU?


Ah so you're a bullshitter as well as deluded then:

http://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread&p=8765647#post8765647

Maybe you should have said you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with your ruling-class bullshitting hypocritical comrades, Johnson and Gove. Would have been far more clear what you meant.


Oh and you still haven't answered the question as to who you'll blame if it doesn't happen.

LOL
Brexit has brought together some very strange bedfellows and i do stand together with all those that want to leave the EU, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. This does not make me a committed socialist, never has and never will.......you are barking up the wrong tree sideways.

I am happy with any solution outside of the customs union and outside being members of the single market

If Brexit doesnt happen it will be down to the MPs that have made it not happen by voting to revoke Article 50, it is the only current way to stop it, article 50 must be revoked to end it.
We are not there as of yet,so i cant tell you who is to blame for stopping it, if it does happen i will gladly let you know who they are, but thankfully it will be public knowledge anyway.

 

[Is it PotG?]

So what is it you want now?

For the result of the referendum to be delivered.

 

[pb21]

I see Sir Nicolas Soames is down to vote against no deal and therfore be kicked out of the Tory party.

Living in Mid-Sussex I hope he stands as an independent.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I see Sir Nicolas Soames is down to vote against no deal and therfore be kicked out of the Tory party.

Living in Mid-Sussex I hope he stands as an independent.

I thought they were there to represent their constituents. He does not represent my wishes in this matter.

 

[pastafarian]

I listened to the radio clip someone recently posted of Dr Nicholl and have now watched this TV clip and I have to say he doesn't come across as convincing. At no point has he managed to explain why MORE body bags would be needed. The implications in his interviews and in some of the anti-Brexit press is that it's because Brexit will cause an increase in deaths - despite there being not a single shred of evidence of this. Of course what could be an equally plausible, actually more plausible, explanation is that the UK buys it's body bags from an EU country and that it's sensible contingency planning just in case of delays to make sure we have some extra stock. But of cause that explanation doesn't have the same fear factor.

Rees Mogg just gave a kicking to a yellowhammer doctor, dont know if they are one and the same

 

[schmunk]

I thought they were there to represent their constituents. He does not represent my wishes in this matter.

I, along with the majority of his other constituents, voted against leaving the EU.

 

[theonlymikey]

Boris Johnson*secretly agreed to suspend parliament in mid-August – two weeks before denying the plan existed, explosive court documents heard in the Court of Session case have revealed.

*An email was sent to the PM and Dominic Cummings, his chief aide, which says “we should prorogue” from 9 September.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...c-cummings-email-court-scotland-a9089911.html



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[Simster]

LOL
Brexit has brought together some very strange bedfellows and i do stand together with all those that want to leave the EU, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. This does not make me a committed socialist, never has and never will.......you are barking up the wrong tree sideways.

Of course I am. That's because you said something you obviously didn't mean. You said you stood shoulder to shoulder with your "socialist comrade" when in fact he clearly isn't a "comrade".

I am happy with any solution outside of the customs union and outside being members of the single market.

So it seems. And I want a helicopter. Shame you don't have a mandate for that then. The only mandate you have is to leave the EU. The fact that we haven't left yet is down to the stupid red lines that these governments have insisted upon.

If Brexit doesnt happen it will be down to the MPs that have made it not happen by voting to revoke Article 50, it is the only current way to stop it, article 50 must be revoked to end it.
We are not there as of yet,so i cant tell you who is to blame for stopping it, if it does happen i will gladly let you know who they are, but thankfully it will be public knowledge anyway.

Or you could just blame the incompetence of the UK negotiating team who have, you know, caused this whole mess by being ill-prepared, proposing absurd red-lines and then got stroppy when parliaments calls their shambles to account.

 

[Stat Brother]

Rees Mogg just gave a kicking to a yellowhammer doctor, dont know if they are one and the same

That's your takeaway from that short segment, wow.

 

[pb21]

I thought they were there to represent their constituents. He does not represent my wishes in this matter.

He was last elected on the basis of the 2017 Tory manifesto which stated we would leave the EU smoothly and orderly with a deal.

He voted for this every time.

It can very fairly and correctly said he had been representing his constituents wishes in Parliament.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I thought they were there to represent their constituents. He does not represent my wishes in this matter.

You don't understand how politics works.

 

[schmunk]

This tweet (retweeted by Soames) made me laugh:

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