[Politics] Brexit

[SeagullinExile]

Calm down poppet, I haven't compared you to a fascist so there's no need for your pseudo legal threats, but if you're not willing to at least do some research on that quote or accept any critisism of it but you are prepared to post it, then yes I think you are a bit bloody minded. Theres no discussion to be had with folks who believe quotes like that. Have a nice afternoon.

Or someone who's own research on where the EU is heading differs from your own perhaps?

Anyway, like I said earlier, to agree to disagree is the best option here.

 

[Two Professors]

No English is

Is english your native language?

 

[studio150]

Is english your native language?

Already answered but I see the subtlety has passed you by

 

[Two Professors]

already answered but i see the subtlety has passed you by

whoosh

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Or someone who's own research on where the EU is heading differs from your own perhaps?

Anyway, like I said earlier, to agree to disagree is the best option here.

Look, I think the sensible and simple way forward here is for you to let us know where you found Monnet's words quoted. You seem covinced it's an accurate translation so... source please.

 

[portslade seagull]

Glaxo investing near on 300m in good old blighty is a bit of a blow to the doomsayers . They went back on everything they said they would do in the event of a Brexit vote

 

[pastafarian]

Tess continuing her excellent Brexit work as she meets another EU leader.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36906748

Theresa May: UK should be flexible over Brexit trade options

Theresa May has said she retains an "open mind" about the UK's trading relationships after Brexit amid reports some cabinet colleagues want the UK to pull out of the EU's customs union.

During talks with Italian counterpart Matteo Renzi, the UK PM suggested she favoured bespoke arrangements rather than replicating those used by others.
"I think we should develop the model that suits the UK and EU," she said.

Mr Renzi said the EU vote was sad but he hoped "some good would come of it".

During a press conference in Rome, Mrs May confirmed that she had chaired the first meeting of the UK cabinet committee tasked with overseeing work on Brexit on Tuesday.

Mrs May, who has already visited Berlin and Paris and is scheduled to visit other EU leaders later this week, said that although the UK was leaving the EU the UK would "still very much be part of Europe".

The prime minister said Brexit meant a "new chapter" in Anglo-Italian links but she said she hoped the current £24bn annual two-way trade could be boosted and the nations would continue to co-operate within Nato, G7 and the G20 to face the "complex and global challenges" posed by terrorism and mass migration.

She restated her position that the UK would need time to prepare for official negotiations on leaving the EU and that it was her intention to guarantee the status of EU nationals already working in the UK while limiting the future free movement of EU nationals into the UK.

Pressed on suggestions by the International Trade Secretary Liam Fox - who is on a trade mission to the US - that the UK could potentially leave the EU's customs union to facilitate trade deals with other countries, Mrs May said she was "looking at this with an open mind".

The UK, she suggested, should be flexible and not look to try and emulate any other country in its dealings with the EU.
"I think we should be developing the model that suits the United Kingdom and the European Union. Not adopting, necessarily, a model that is on the shelf already."

If the UK remained part of the EU's customs union, it would not face tariffs to export most goods into the EU but it would have to accept the EU's external tariffs when trading with non-EU countries and would not have any say in setting these external tariffs.
A number of countries, including Norway, Switzerland and Iceland, are members of the European Economic Area but outside the customs union. They still have tariff-free access to the EU's single market via free trade agreements but those exporting to the customs union may still have to pay administrative fees and be subject to customs controls and greater paperwork.

In response, Mr Renzi said the UK's exit would be "painful" but Italy would do "its utmost to collaborate and support the process" of UK negotiations.
But he added that the talks would be "delicate" given the conflicting desire of maximising trade while restricting freedom of movement.

He said it was "important to have a vision and precise timeline for the process" but added that it would be a "message against democracy" if the consequences people voted for in the referendum didn't happen.

Mr Renzi said the EU was a "miracle" that had produced "60 years of peace and prosperity" and it was time for its members to look to the future.

Earlier on Wednesday, the European Commission said it had appointed former senior official Michel Barnier as its chief negotiator for the UK's negotiations. The UK has said it won't begin official exit discussions - known as the Article 50 process - until next year.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Meanwhile, the Fox hunt...

"In Washington yesterday the US rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying it was impossible to have "meaningful" talks before Brexit. Mike Froman, the US trade representative, said that they would only be prepared to talk to Britain about a trade deal "at the appropriate" time. (Sam Coates, The Times, 27 June.)

This is quite different from one side playing hardball at the start of negotiations. That's standard. This seems to be about one of the jewels in the Fox/Davis wish list of countries they claim are queuing up to do deals with us refusing to even start serious talks until we're out of the EU and wondering where the single market went.

 

[portslade seagull]

Meanwhile, the Fox hunt...

"In Washington yesterday the US rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying it was impossible to have "meaningful" talks before Brexit. Mike Froman, the US trade representative, said that they would only be prepared to talk to Britain about a trade deal "at the appropriate" time. (Sam Coates, The Times, 27 June.)

This is quite different from one side playing hardball at the start of negotiations. That's standard. This seems to be about one of the jewels in the Fox/Davis wish list of countries they claim are queuing up to do deals with us refusing to even start serious talks until we're out of the EU and wondering where the single market went.

Why are you so gleeful for things to go wrong. Your one weird guy

 

[pastafarian]

Meanwhile, the Fox hunt...

"In Washington yesterday the US rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying it was impossible to have "meaningful" talks before Brexit. Mike Froman, the US trade representative, said that they would only be prepared to talk to Britain about a trade deal "at the appropriate" time. (Sam Coates, The Times, 27 June.)

This is quite different from one side playing hardball at the start of negotiations. That's standard. This seems to be about one of the jewels in the Fox/Davis wish list of countries they claim are queuing up to do deals with us refusing to even start serious talks until we're out of the EU and wondering where the single market went.

Refusing?
Rebuffed?
Impossible?

Its amazing how you can take snippets of a story and promote worst possible scenarios if that happens to be your narrative.

The guardian reports it with some extra words.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...elations-to-be-resolved-by-2020-says-liam-fox

In Washington, Fox and the UK ambassador, Kim Darroch, met the commerce secretary, Penny Pritzker, and the US trade representative, Mike Froman.

Although Fox is eager to scope out bilateral trade agreements with major economies such as the US, he knows that EU rules prevent him from negotiating a detailed agreement until the UK has left that union.

Froman emphasised this point, saying: “The United States will be prepared to engage in conversations with the United Kingdom about how to develop our trade and investment relationship in the best way at the appropriate time.

“As a practical matter, it is not possible to meaningfully advance separate trade and investment negotiations with the United Kingdom until some of the basic issues around the future EU-UK relationship have been worked out.”

Froman is still trying to negotiate a major trade agreement with the EU, despite opposition in Europe and America, and is due back in Brussels this week.
The proposed US-EU framework, known as TTIP, is potentially a deal that the UK could join later.
Some US officials have floated the idea of making parallel progress with the UK in an attempt to put pressure on the EU to take a more flexible approach.

The US is the UK’s single biggest export market, accounting for £100bn, or about 20%, of its £510bn of goods and services exports in 2015, according to official data.


Sounds ever so slightly different to your doom outcome.
In essence,deals cant be finalised until we have officially left (yep we all knew that) but doors that were previously closed have opened.
Seems positive enough given where we are currently especially if you apply long term thinking and the future benefit of the country.

 

[Soulman]

Refusing?
Rebuffed?
Impossible?

Its amazing how you can take snippets of a story and promote worst possible scenarios if that happens to be your narrative.

The guardian reports it with some extra words.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...elations-to-be-resolved-by-2020-says-liam-fox

In Washington, Fox and the UK ambassador, Kim Darroch, met the commerce secretary, Penny Pritzker, and the US trade representative, Mike Froman.

Although Fox is eager to scope out bilateral trade agreements with major economies such as the US, he knows that EU rules prevent him from negotiating a detailed agreement until the UK has left that union.

Froman emphasised this point, saying: “The United States will be prepared to engage in conversations with the United Kingdom about how to develop our trade and investment relationship in the best way at the appropriate time.

“As a practical matter, it is not possible to meaningfully advance separate trade and investment negotiations with the United Kingdom until some of the basic issues around the future EU-UK relationship have been worked out.”

Froman is still trying to negotiate a major trade agreement with the EU, despite opposition in Europe and America, and is due back in Brussels this week.
The proposed US-EU framework, known as TTIP, is potentially a deal that the UK could join later.
Some US officials have floated the idea of making parallel progress with the UK in an attempt to put pressure on the EU to take a more flexible approach.

The US is the UK’s single biggest export market, accounting for £100bn, or about 20%, of its £510bn of goods and services exports in 2015, according to official data.


Sounds ever so slightly different to your doom outcome.
In essence,deals cant be finalised until we have officially left (yep we all knew that) but doors that were previously closed have opened.
Seems positive enough given where we are currently especially if you apply long term thinking and the future benefit of the country.

That's better, goes from down to up with just the text put across properly.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You say deals can't be finalised until later, Froman says they can't be advanced.. Read that Guardian report carefully and just about the most positive thing there from the Americans is that they are prepared to have conversations with us sometime. (Yep, we all knew that.) This doesn't make me remotely gleeful but I 'm old enough to remember those 'British is Best' campaigns, which were based on the premise that if you say things are great then they will be. Well they weren't and they weren't. Being positive is fine but false optimism actually made things worse in the past and they could again.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Why are you so gleeful for things to go wrong. Your one weird guy

Your mistaken.

 

[studio150]

That's better, goes from down to up with just the text put across properly.

Better?

Some US Officials have floated...


So unnamed officials who could well be very junior have said we could have parallel progress knowing full well that neither the UK or the USA can do that due to the UK currently still being an EU member.

So basically the USA being good hosts by not closing the door, but inviting us in for a cup of tea and a biscuit but not doing anything meaningful before saying thanks for coming.


Still remain positive as that's the solution for everything..

 

[Soulman]

Better?

Some US Officials have floated...


So unnamed officials who could well be very junior have said we could have parallel progress knowing full well that neither the UK or the USA can do that due to the UK currently still being an EU member.

So basically the USA being good hosts by not closing the door, but inviting us in for a cup of tea and a biscuit but not doing anything meaningful before saying thanks for coming.


Still remain positive as that's the solution for everything..

"Still remain positive as that's the solution for everything."........ or continuously moan and grizzle and slate ANY good news that appears i suppose.

 

[pastafarian]

Better?

Some US Officials have floated...


So unnamed officials who could well be very junior have said we could have parallel progress knowing full well that neither the UK or the USA can do that due to the UK currently still being an EU member.

So basically the USA being good hosts by not closing the door, but inviting us in for a cup of tea and a biscuit but not doing anything meaningful before saying thanks for coming.


Still remain positive as that's the solution for everything..

Being positive is not the solution to everything, no one has claimed that in the past and no one is claiming that now. Feel free to twist and simplify what clearly isnt being said. though.

There is certainly a case to be had for promoting as much positivity as possible surrounding a situation. We are all aware that confidence and positivity especially coming from governments helps steady an unsteady ship in times of uncertainty. If its all the same to you I think us exiters will continue on this path of promoting the positive points, it makes an all together much healthier nation as we strive to advertise ourselves, our workforce and our businesses to the wider global community.

You can pick little bits of everything apart and continue to talk up every negative possibility if you like. Thank goodness people like you arnt in charge of running the country though.

 

[mothy]

So what is the logical conclusion to draw from:

The more news that comes out with daily terror attacks across Europe makes me realise the brexit vote was right.

He must have been pleased that his vote brought about the Brexit decision, therefore his pleasure will be increased by the terror attacks as he has stated that these attacks reinforce his decision.

Still you can always get your free bus pass out and have a free bus rude this afternoon, but remember to take a blanket and flask with with.

OK fool

 

[mothy]

You should have gone to Specsavers!Where does it say anywhere in his post that he is happy about it.Try reading a post before criticising it and get on with your homework-holidays don't last forever.

Thanks. What a penis studio150 appears to be

 

[studio150]

Being positive is not the solution to everything, no one has claimed that in the past and no one is claiming that now. Feel free to twist and simplify what clearly isnt being said. though.

There is certainly a case to be had for promoting as much positivity as possible surrounding a situation. We are all aware that confidence and positivity especially coming from governments helps steady an unsteady ship in times of uncertainty. If its all the same to you I think us exiters will continue on this path of promoting the positive points, it makes an all together much healthier nation as we strive to advertise ourselves, our workforce and our businesses to the wider global community.

You can pick little bits of everything apart and continue to talk up every negative possibility if you like. Thank goodness people like you arnt in charge of running the country though.

Fine if you and others believe that talks about talks at some future undefined date is positive than that's great.
I will however wait and see.

 

[Soulman]

Fine if you and others believe that talks about talks at some future undefined date is positive than that's great.
I will however wait and see.

Good, we have been saying ever since the referendum to "wait and see".