[Politics] Brexit

[Lever]

Incredible, that's exactly what we ALL had before the Tories screwed our country, only it was even better as had SM access for services too

Lets stop f**king around, the whole of UK needs to stop the rot and join EFTA NOW!!!

Got it in one

I expect someone who used to work for the Scottish whiskey trade would know best

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This made me smile. Thank you! Whatever happened to that chap I wonder........

 

[A1X]

Apparently only Northern Ireland is going to benefit from this brilliant single market thing that Sunak is now selling as the best thing since sliced bread

If they were anything like as brave as they could be, that’d be the cornerstone of the next Labour / Lib Dem manifesto.

“The PM says this deal is great…why can’t England, Scotland and Wales have it too?”

 

[rogersix]

Thanks gorgeous ... when I'm done with this radicalised sect I might move on to the Mormons or the scientologists ... xx

you're working from within.

as i say, good work agent wokey

 

[CHAPPERS]

Got it in one

This made me smile. Thank you! Whatever happened to that chap I wonder........

He’s at the ERG meeting tonight

 

[Notters]

I expect someone who used to work for the Scottish whiskey trade would know best

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Not tried this, is it new?

 

[Randy McNob]

I'd be interested to know how the brectums explain

you're working from within.

as i say, good work agent wokey

amazing, someone who buys into cult gaslight phrases like 'Woke' calls others 'radicalised'

If carlsberg did irony,,,,,

 

[The Clamp]

It’s coming home

 

[Randy McNob]

Great to hear that Boris is going to vote for Rishi's Windsor deal, which had to be negotiated because his deal was so shit, even despite STILL taking the plaudits as the man who got Brexit done.

 

[Commander]

I haven't read this thread for months, but does anybody actually seriously still think Brexit was genuinely a good idea, and is working? And if so, please can you briefly explain why?

 

[The Clamp]

I haven't read this thread for months, but does anybody actually seriously still think Brexit was genuinely a good idea, and is working? And if so, please can you briefly explain why?

Sovrinity and no more foriners

 

[Randy McNob]

I haven't read this thread for months, but does anybody actually seriously still think Brexit was genuinely a good idea, and is working? And if so, please can you briefly explain why?

You'll only ever get the same answer as always. People who are adamant it was correct, steadfast and defend their decision to the hilt but never be able to answer the 2nd part about how they or anything is better even in the face of irrefutable evidence we are massively worse off in every way

 

[Commander]

You'll only ever get the same answer as always. People who are adamant it was correct, steadfast and defend their decision to the hilt but never be able to answer the 2nd part about how they or anything is better even in the face of irrefutable evidence we are massively worse off in every way

Sure somebody must be able to give at least one sensible, genuine reason or example of how it has made life in the UK better?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I haven't read this thread for months, but does anybody actually seriously still think Brexit was genuinely a good idea, and is working? And if so, please can you briefly explain why?

I'm afraid the answer is no. In 27 months it has become abundantly clear to even the most ardent Brexiteer what it is they actually voted for, and they seem to have consequently gone into hiding and can't give any benefit/improvement whatsoever. There's the very occasional trolling post saying absolutely nothing about the actual subject of the thread and that's it

Rishi now praising the benefits of being members of the Customs Union and Single Market in order to sell Ursula and Theresa's original NI plan only highlights the complete idiocy of the whole last 7 and a bit years since Cameron decided he had a cunning plan to cover the cracks in his party.

With a significant part of Britain now remaining in the Customs Union and Single Market this thread has become more of a discussion as to when and how the rest of Britain will join it. The massively failing economy proving to be a far better driver for this than any remain campaign could ever be. Just a shame so many innocent people have and will continue to suffer until sense prevails.

 

[nicko31]

Lets all shed in tear for coumnist Sarah Vine at the Daily Mail. Brexit has ruined her life, oh and Steve Bakers ...

SARAH VINE: Brexit cost me my dearest friendships and my marriage

SARAH VINE: Over the past few weeks, I've watched with bated breath as it has become increasingly apparent that Rishi Sunak might be getting close to securing a final deal on Brexit.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[WATFORD zero]

 

[Baldrick]

The UK does have access to the EU single market. It's just not IN the single market so checks are required when trading to ensure EU standards are met when the UK exports.

I would hazard a guess a lot of people voted for Brexit simply because they didn't want to be part of the political European Union of Socialist Republics, governed by unelected corrupt mafia politicians in Brussels revelling in a EU parliamentary gravy train tax free environment. The single market was the brainchild of Brits and a good thing it is. The Treaties of Maastrict and Lisbon changed the basis of EU membership. When we joined the Common Market it was a trading relationship. It's now a political union.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The UK does have access to the EU single market. It's just not IN the single market so checks are required when trading to ensure EU standards are met when the UK exports.

I would hazard a guess a lot of people voted for Brexit simply because they didn't want to be part of the political European Union of Socialist Republics, governed by unelected corrupt mafia politicians in Brussels revelling in a EU parliamentary gravy train tax free environment. The single market was the brainchild of Brits and a good thing it is. The Treaties of Maastrict and Lisbon changed the basis of EU membership. When we joined the Common Market it was a trading relationship. It's now a political union.

Britain has third party access to the EU market in exactly the same way as any non-member throughout the world, and has to go through the same paperwork, costs and checks, hence the drop from 27K to 18K of UK companies exporting to the EU in the first year we were out. And, if we ever 'get brexit done' and put in place UK border controls, similar costs and bureaucracy will increase the costs of all imports to the UK too.

Sunak's proposal is that NI stays in the EU Customs union and single market under the control of the ECJ, exactly as the EU originally proposed and Theresa May put forward as the Northern Ireland Backstop.

Your point is

 

[Jim in the West]

The UK does have access to the EU single market. It's just not IN the single market so checks are required when trading to ensure EU standards are met when the UK exports.

I would hazard a guess a lot of people voted for Brexit simply because they didn't want to be part of the political European Union of Socialist Republics, governed by unelected corrupt mafia politicians in Brussels revelling in a EU parliamentary gravy train tax free environment. The single market was the brainchild of Brits and a good thing it is. The Treaties of Maastrict and Lisbon changed the basis of EU membership. When we joined the Common Market it was a trading relationship. It's now a political union.

...unlike the legions of corrupt MPs in the UK with their special deals for their mates, their "consultancy" jobs with businesses who somehow seem to get preferential treatment, employing their wives/husbands/partners as assistants (paid for by us), plus the unelected House of Lords. Plus the fact that huge numbers of decisions in the UK are now taken at cabinet level, and back-bench MPs have no say. Etc, Etc. And in the EU you get to vote for your MEP via a system of proportional representation. It's not all rosy in the rest of Europe, but we have loads of issues in the UK.

 

[nicko31]

The UK does have access to the EU single market. It's just not IN the single market so checks are required when trading to ensure EU standards are met when the UK exports.

I would hazard a guess a lot of people voted for Brexit simply because they didn't want to be part of the political European Union of Socialist Republics, governed by unelected corrupt mafia politicians in Brussels revelling in a EU parliamentary gravy train tax free environment. The single market was the brainchild of Brits and a good thing it is. The Treaties of Maastrict and Lisbon changed the basis of EU membership. When we joined the Common Market it was a trading relationship. It's now a political union.

Do you think it’s great that the Tories passed legislation that our sovereign parliament has no say into any of the post Brexit trade deals?

You think the EUSSR would allow that ?

 

[peterward]

...unlike the legions of corrupt MPs in the UK with their special deals for their mates, their "consultancy" jobs with businesses who somehow seem to get preferential treatment, employing their wives/husbands/partners as assistants (paid for by us), plus the unelected House of Lords. Plus the fact that huge numbers of decisions in the UK are now taken at cabinet level, and back-bench MPs have no say. Etc, Etc. And in the EU you get to vote for your MEP via a system of proportional representation. It's not all rosy in the rest of Europe, but we have loads of issues in the UK.

Fantastic and the point of that is..............

MEPs unlike MPs do not propose or inititate any legislation.
You can write to your MEP like you can your MP, but your MP could in effect put forward a legislative proposal based on your letter, MEPs cant.

Laws are created and set by the commision and council which is not elected by PR, its not elected by anyone.

Us mere mortals can do nothing to get rid of them or have any say in the laws they set, we can only elect talking heads who debate. In fact on numerous occasions those we have expressly kicked out of office democratically at the national ballot box are then appointed by the EU to legislate over us in laws that supercede national laws, I personally dont understand how anyone is comfortable with that.

Its anti democratic.

That has always been one of the fundamental flaws of the EU (there are too many benefits) but representative democracy is not one of them.

I wholly concur with @Baldrick comments, maybe many would think its better to try and resolve these things within rather than leave, its a rational argument, but also to reach beyond the tribal zero sum remain/leave arguments that ignore both the faults and the benefits, the EU power structure in its present form flawed imho and until it reaches its "ever closer union" destination of a full political union, the trade off for the benefits is a cumbersome/slow decision making political body of appointess, lobbyists and 27 national vested interests............... the final ideological shape of that full political union is uncertain.

Swiss style, Norway etc may well be where we end up under Starmer and I for one wouldnt mind that level of present situation pragmatism versus out of date historical arguments.