[Politics] Brexit

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

This is an extract from an article about anti-vaxers: I think it could equally be applied to debating with Brexiters.....

Too many of us buy into the old, and slightly vain, liberal idea that good and rational speech will always win out over bad and logically incoherent speech. And that people who disagree with us are less complex and more stupid than we are. Freedom of expression is critical to democracy in its own right, but insights from cognitive psychology put paid to the idea that the truest idea will win out, particularly in a world where social media platforms make most profit out of the stuff that hardens our views by making us angry. Campaigners who want to change minds have to be much smarter than simply explaining what makes other people so wrong.

Interesting and insightful but I would be wary of generalising across the population as a whole. To balance things out (a little) look at the drop in Johnson's approval ratings. Evidence and rationality can still prevail.

 

[Lever]

Interesting and insightful but I would be wary of generalising across the population as a whole. To balance things out (a little) look at the drop in Johnson's approval ratings. Evidence and rationality can still prevail.

Yes, I agree...

You cannot fool all the people all the time.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Who and what are 'The 5th column collective'? Names?

You might also like to clarify the whole comment; it seems a bit vague....

or perhaps not......

You ,McNob and Watford bloke..... Three hard-core

Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

You ,McNob and Watford bloke..... Three hard-core

Regards
DF

Thanks for your input.... although I don't recognise the monikers of the other two. Was it a rather weak attempt at a put down? Do tell....

More importantly, you are repeating a term you have read and applied it to several fellow NSC posters. Can tell us what the '5th column collective' actually means or was it just another case of you following someone's else lead without any thought?

Finally, please ask your proof reader to supervise your punctuation. Often it seems like a six year old has typed your comments........

 

[WATFORD zero]

As the thousands of posts on here prove, the 5th column collective don't do smart, let alone trying for 'smarter arguments' ... perhaps better served applying to the prevent programme for deradicalistion .. small steps.

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I'm not sure that an ardent Unionist who campaigns and votes for a border in the Irish Sea, and then when they get it, decides they don't want it with absolutely no idea of any alternative, should really worry too much about what other 'smarter' people are up to

 

[Lever]

I'm not sure that an ardent Unionist who campaigns and votes for a border in the Irish Sea, and then when they get it, decides they don't want it with absolutely no idea of any alternative, should really worry too much about what other 'smarter' people are up to

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Until he can explain what he means by '5th Column Collective' and how that term applies to fellow Albion supporters on this site then I hold his comments with the contempt they deserve....

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Until he can explain what he means by '5th Column Collective' and how that term applies to fellow Albion supporters on this site then I hold his comments with the contempt they deserve....

https://freespeechunion.org/


Deal with it


Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

https://freespeechunion.org/


Deal with it


Regards
DF

Define it.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

https://freespeechunion.org/


Deal with it


Regards
DF

What is a 5th columnist?

 

[Lever]

What is a 5th columnist?

That is what I have been asking him. He doesn't seem to know but I am not surprised....

He's good at 80s pop videos though.....

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

That is what I have been asking him. He doesn't seem to know but I am not surprised....

He's good at 80s pop videos though.....

"... but the bigger boys were saying it"

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

What is a 5th columnist?

A dehumanising label which is against the recent NSC code of conduct, I think

 

[Lever]

A dehumanising label which is against the recent NSC code of conduct, I think

I would like clarification from the people who use it; they are the only ones who know what they mean by it. Snide.....

 

[Is it PotG?]

I would like clarification from the people who use it; they are the only ones who know what they mean by it. Snide.....

Indeed.

I think clarification is also required when folk use the term 'Boris supporter' without any evidence of voting history or alike.

Just for consistency like.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

A dehumanising label which is against the recent NSC code of conduct, I think

Complaing about dehumanising labels while replying to an account called 'Grizzling Gammon' ... comedy gold [emoji106]

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Complaing about dehumanising labels while replying to an account called 'Grizzling Gammon' ... comedy gold [emoji106]

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He's not complaining.

Calling someone a 5th columnists implies they are a spy or traitor.

Calling one's self 'grizzling gammon' on a football forum is amusing, in context (which it always is when you reply).

Your idea of comedy gold isn't likely to get you a second series. Not even on Channel 5

Apart from that, another brilliant post, finger on the pulse (emoji not working thought), etc.

 

[Lever]

Indeed.

I think clarification is also required when folk use the term 'Boris supporter' without any evidence of voting history or alike.

Just for consistency like.

That's much easier and less controversial; the clue is in the name. It's those who defend the mendacious behaviour of our woeful PM, whether or not they voted for him that are the issue, like.

 

[Randy McNob]

I'm not sure that an ardent Unionist who campaigns and votes for a border in the Irish Sea, and then when they get it, decides they don't want it with absolutely no idea of any alternative, should really worry too much about what other 'smarter' people are up to

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I find it odd the so called 'smart' ones are not so smart to even have the self awareness to notice the divide and rule and pawns they are. Succesfully groomed to turn against even their own supporters

 

[Lever]

Complaing about dehumanising labels while replying to an account called 'Grizzling Gammon' ... comedy gold [emoji106]

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I don't seek dialogue with you; it's never worth it for either of us. However, when you refer specifically to me I prefer to reply to you directly.

I assume you mean 'complaining'.

It would be helpful in responding directly to your accusations if you define what you mean by calling several posters on here (presumably including me) a 'fifth column collective'. We are fellow Albion supporters who clearly do not share your fixed world view; I don't know you and so I would not presume to call you a fascist, but I reserve the right to challenge your political beliefs.

Can you explain your use of the derisive term 'fifth column collective' or not? If you don't understand the term properly, don't apply it to people vacuously.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Indeed.

I think clarification is also required when folk use the term 'Boris supporter' without any evidence of voting history or alike.

Just for consistency like.

I wonder where the chapter 'trying to slam it into reverse at speed' without looking a complete **** is in the troll manual