[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

I think you're incredibly naive. The following posters are the leavers with more posts than you on this thread:
[MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] [MENTION=599]beorhthelm[/MENTION] (I think?) [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] [MENTION=5101]BigGully[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION]

Sorry to name-check you all chaps, but is there a single one of you that voted leave as a means to a socialist Britain? [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] seems to think that voting leave will be a major step to making this happen. Personally, I'm not convinced.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with my socialist comrade in wanting to Leave the EU.
I also agree with him in wanting to bring to an end to what he says as the “ worst excesses of capitalism,” and “irresponsible capitalism”.(surely most people want these unwanted excesses curtailed).
If he believes leaving the EU produces a better chance for his socialist Britain to exist and a step towards it, then who am I to argue this is a wrong belief. He is hardly alone amongst well known (and respected)socialist thinkers in that respect(Tony Benn) that the EU does not enhance the socialist cause.
Is it even possible to be a socialist and a Europhile? You know, a real socialist not a fake pretend Tory-lite one or middle class student type who joins momentum because it’s a wheeze and all their chums are doing it whilst they are at university.
People talk of division since the vote and perhaps you are having a crack at that amongst leavers with your post, but perhaps not enough recognition is made that socialists, conservatives, liberals, greens, labour, libertarians and who knows who else found a common goal to unite behind a common cause and did so in unprecidented numbers that showed a majority in this country. Perhaps we should concentrate more politically on what brings us together rather than what divides us. It seems to have scared the crap out of the political establishment that this was even possible.

 

[pastafarian]

Would rather boycott any company that supported the leave vote.

Oh dear.
Deliberately targeting and boycotting British companies and therefore British jobs after we leave or even now before we do, all because you don’t like the fact you lost is I am afraid profoundly pathetic and says much about you. Seriously…. get a grip and some perspective.
I would hope and suspect most remainers, except the utter idiots that gave you a thumbs up would find your approach to be incredibly counter productive.

 

[nicko31]

I can bring you good news about manufacturing every week in this country.

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Any investment in manufacturing is good in my book

Just a pity UK companies will be soon starting every race a lap behind their competitors.

CEO of Unipart absolutely laid into the government on R4 this morning, with automotive investment slumping by 90% compared to 2015

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I can bring you good news about manufacturing every week in this country.

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Americans are not good owners.

 

[Berty23]

Or maybe you could have found it yourself ? https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17404371.churchill-square-boss-brexit-is-hitting-our-shops/

Isn’t obvious that it would hit shops? Think logically.

1. I don’t think anyone is even pretending the economy won’t take a hit, at least initially, due to brexit
2. Do people change their spending habits when an economic shock is approaching? I can’t be the only one
3. Things people want rather than need are the first to go

I would be amazed if it did not hit the retail sector.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Supporting the belief that referendums should be respected, even in your ridiculous analogy is not endorsing the nazi take over of Britain. Jesus wept your misrepresentation of what people say is astonishing when you get backed into a corner.
Dont forget it was you that recognised people would obviously be incandescent if their democratic vote was ignored

“The only other option I suppose is that whiners such as Churchill reacted to the 1937 referendum and said "Bugger that. I'm ignoring it." Obviously the will of the people lot would have been incandescent but they would have be grateful in the long run”

Remember that for future reference

But if the effect of unquestioningly following the result of that hypothetical referendum was to facilitate being subsequently overrun by Nazi Germany then the latter is exactly what you were endorsing.

I repeat: my reason for raising the hypothesis of a referendum in the 1930 was simply to test the suggestion that it was always essential, even in the most extreme and damaging of circumstances, to be led by a public plebiscite. I am grateful for your answer.

Regarding my use of the term 'will of the people lot' that was simply shorthand for people of your disposition, who seem to spend a lot of their time being incandescent. Given the context I guess you realised that anyway.

 

[Triggaaar]

Americans are not good owners.

Eh?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Oh dear.
Deliberately targeting and boycotting British companies and therefore British jobs after we leave or even now before we do, all because you don’t like the fact you lost is I am afraid profoundly pathetic and says much about you. Seriously…. get a grip and some perspective.
I would hope and suspect most remainers, except the utter idiots that gave you a thumbs up would find your approach to be incredibly counter productive.

As of 2019, JD Wetherspoon's PLC can no longer rely on my patronage in any of it's branches because I don't go there anymore. Ever.

It's a standard £3.79 for a pint of Guinness in the Bexhill and both Eastbourne branches and just £3.29 in the Hastings one - trust me, there's a lot of pubs in Hastings but you won't get better than that - but I now pay extra and go somewhere that isn't infected with no deal Brexit propaganda and northern, leave voting, Ruddles drinkers - The sort of people who start drinking in there at 9am, enjoy Richard Littlejohn in The Daily Mail and voted for Brexit 'Cos ders tur mehnee moooslimbs' (No wonder eastern European barmaids no longer want to work in any of them. )

£3 Million they spent of the Bexhill branch. If you've got a history book on pubs or exciting things to happen in Bexhill ever - rip it up and throw it in the bin, because it's worthless. All day opening in 1987, all day Sunday opening in 1995, relaxation of the licensing laws, the smoking ban - none of it comes close to what 'spoons in Bexhill brought - it's even a got a great, glass elevator. Have you ever been in a pub with a glass lift?! Of course not. I'm afraid I have principles though and will not go in there now.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Not sure why remain Tories are happy to sit on this waste of time working group given that they've already explored all options.

Javid asking for goodwill from the EU is also a ****ing joke given that May has already reneged on the deal that she brokered with them herself.

All Tories, including those supposedly supporting remain, are time wasting.

 

[Baldseagull]

Supporting the belief that referendums should be respected, even in your ridiculous analogy is not endorsing the nazi take over of Britain. Jesus wept your misrepresentation of what people say is astonishing when you get backed into a corner.
Dont forget it was you that recognised people would obviously be incandescent if their democratic vote was ignored

“The only other option I suppose is that whiners such as Churchill reacted to the 1937 referendum and said "Bugger that. I'm ignoring it." Obviously the will of the people lot would have been incandescent but they would have be grateful in the long run”

Remember that for future reference



No, he was saying re-negotiation not negotiation. As we both know. Re-negotiation not negotiation should have been the giveaway clue you needed to know that he was talking about renegotiation of existing membership before a binary deciding vote had even taken place and not what you wrongly and desperately thought he was referring to, that being, after negotiation of terms to Leave following a binary deciding vote that had already taken place and that had already given a decision to Leave.
You know, renegotiations like Cameron did, renegotiated terms of membership and put it to a deciding referendum. Like Wilson did too in 70`s, renegotiated existing membership of the EC and then put that to the public via a deciding referendum.
One is renegotiating before even having the final deciding vote and one is negotiating after the final vote, negotiations you seem to have forgotten that can only commence after already deciding to Leave and after notice has been given that we are leaving.
It would be far simpler if you just acknowledge you were fooled, admit the cherry picked video is fundamentally dishonest and peddled by those who have no clue and are a bit gullible, and then just move on. Your attempt to shift the focus onto something it isn’t, because you don’t like admitting you were duped is just daft.

I don't know why you keep insisting I was duped, I have repeatedly asked you to explain the principle behind the idea of why it might make more sense to have two referendums precisely because I acknowledge it was a slightly different situation, To state that a renegotiation is not a negotiation is a bit straw clutching. If you like we can call it a renegotiation of being non-members, as there was a time before when we were non members with a relationship with the EU, or it's forerunner the EEC more accurately.
The Principle is the same, a decision made by referendum after a negotiation or renegotiation would be a decision made on a known position, rather than the cake and eat it hopes and dreams of fantasists.

 

[Triggaaar]

May has already reneged on the deal that she brokered with them herself.

You know that's not correct, right?

 

[Baldseagull]

But if the effect of unquestioningly following the result of that hypothetical referendum was to facilitate being subsequently overrun by Nazi Germany then the latter is exactly what you were endorsing.

I repeat: my reason for raising the hypothesis of a referendum in the 1930 was simply to test the suggestion that it was always essential, even in the most extreme and damaging of circumstances, to be led by a public plebiscite. I am grateful for your answer.

Regarding my use of the term 'will of the people lot' that was simply shorthand for people of your disposition, who seem to spend a lot of their time being incandescent. Given the context I guess you realised that anyway.

He understands, he is playing, like he has been given the Brexit side in a debating society debate, you know, where you have to argue the side you are given regardless of the rights or wrongs.
There are no good options from here, just less bad ones, and he knows it.

 

[CHAPPERS]

You know that's not correct, right?

Brokered deal, voted down, going to ask them to reopen WA.

No?

 

[Baldseagull]

You know that's not correct, right?

She supported and voted for an amendment to renegotiate after telling Parliament it was the best we could get, and could not be renegotiated. Renege may be the wrong word but it's close.

 

[Baldseagull]

Oh dear.
Deliberately targeting and boycotting British companies and therefore British jobs after we leave or even now before we do, all because you don’t like the fact you lost is I am afraid profoundly pathetic and says much about you. Seriously…. get a grip and some perspective.
I would hope and suspect most remainers, except the utter idiots that gave you a thumbs up would find your approach to be incredibly counter productive.

I would recommend you buy British for your next Vacuum cleaner and get a Numatic, stuff that foreign made Dyson junk, and as far as having a beer goes he won't be popping into a French pub as an alternative to 'spoons will he you bell end?

 

[Blackadder]

As of 2019, JD Wetherspoon's PLC can no longer rely on my patronage in any of it's branches because I don't go there anymore. Ever.

It's a standard £3.79 for a pint of Guinness in the Bexhill and both Eastbourne branches and just £3.29 in the Hastings one - trust me, there's a lot of pubs in Hastings but you won't get better than that - but I now pay extra and go somewhere that isn't infected with no deal Brexit propaganda and northern, leave voting, Ruddles drinkers - The sort of people who start drinking in there at 9am, enjoy Richard Littlejohn in The Daily Mail and voted for Brexit 'Cos ders tur mehnee moooslimbs' (No wonder eastern European barmaids no longer want to work in any of them. )

£3 Million they spent of the Bexhill branch. If you've got a history book on pubs or exciting things to happen in Bexhill ever - rip it up and throw it in the bin, because it's worthless. All day opening in 1987, all day Sunday opening in 1995, relaxation of the licensing laws, the smoking ban - none of it comes close to what 'spoons in Bexhill brought - it's even a got a great, glass elevator. Have you ever been in a pub with a glass lift?! Of course not. I'm afraid I have principles though and will not go in there now.

I first noticed the "Newspaper" a few months ago when I popped into the Baker Street Spoons for a quick pint. The prices were a lot more there than prices you quoted for Hastings.

Anyway, that's By the By. What I don't understand is the Business Risk Martin are taking. There are people who love spoons and people who hate the place. Always has been,

If one could assume that he already has his customer base. Why risk losing customers by alienating them?

I don't go into a pub to receive a political lecture, whichever flavour of politics is pushed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As of 2019, JD Wetherspoon's PLC can no longer rely on my patronage in any of it's branches because I don't go there anymore. Ever.

It's a standard £3.79 for a pint of Guinness in the Bexhill and both Eastbourne branches and just £3.29 in the Hastings one - trust me, there's a lot of pubs in Hastings but you won't get better than that - but I now pay extra and go somewhere that isn't infected with no deal Brexit propaganda and northern, leave voting, Ruddles drinkers - The sort of people who start drinking in there at 9am, enjoy Richard Littlejohn in The Daily Mail and voted for Brexit 'Cos ders tur mehnee moooslimbs' (No wonder eastern European barmaids no longer want to work in any of them. )

£3 Million they spent of the Bexhill branch. If you've got a history book on pubs or exciting things to happen in Bexhill ever - rip it up and throw it in the bin, because it's worthless. All day opening in 1987, all day Sunday opening in 1995, relaxation of the licensing laws, the smoking ban - none of it comes close to what 'spoons in Bexhill brought - it's even a got a great, glass elevator. Have you ever been in a pub with a glass lift?! Of course not. I'm afraid I have principles though and will not go in there now.

Some Wetherspoons workers refused to put out the proBrexit beermats etc, and lost their Christmas bonus because of it.

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[ManOfSussex]

She supported and voted for an amendment to renegotiate after telling Parliament it was the best we could get, and could not be renegotiated. Renege may be the wrong word but it's close.

We formulated and agreed to the backstop twice, now we seek non existent 'alternative arrangements' at the eleventh hour. As this ultimately treats an international peace treaty with disdain, there's quite a few variations of four letter words I could use to sum up what we're doing, but 'renege' is good enough for me as well.

 

[Triggaaar]

Javid asking for goodwill from the EU is also a ****ing joke given that May has already reneged on the deal that she brokered with them herself.

Brokered deal, voted down, going to ask them to reopen WA.

No?

Yes she brokered a deal with the EU. The UK parliament then voted it down. That's not her reneging on the deal.

She supported and voted for an amendment to renegotiate after telling Parliament it was the best we could get, and could not be renegotiated. Renege may be the wrong word but it's close.

After her deal was rejected by parliament, it's understandable she then wants to come up with a new one.

I'm not arguing that she or the rest of the government has covered themselves in glory, it's a shit show, but it's not correct to say she made a deal with the EU that she's then turned her back on. It got rejected.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I first noticed the "Newspaper" a few months ago when I popped into the Baker Street Spoons for a quick pint. The prices were a lot more there than prices you quoted for Hastings.

Anyway, that's By the By. What I don't understand is the Business Risk Martin are taking. There are people who love spoons and people who hate the place. Always has been,

If one could assume that he already has his customer base. Why risk losing customers by alienating them?

I don't go into a pub to receive a political lecture, whichever flavour of politics is pushed.

Always 'the pub of last resort' for me. Has been for a long time.

They've now fallen to below 'drinking sherry on a park bench' in my preference list.