[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

You may be correct - I've not seen evidence of this though. Why would it not be possible for us to buy hormone inject beef from the States ( obviously clearly marked as such ) AND sell our own non-hormone injected beef to the EU ?

Why would we want to take steps backwards? Seems a bit shit if the benefit of leaving is having a load of shitty meat dumped on us.

 

[nicko31]

i think it only shows that EU is not the most significant issue for the future.[/QUOTE

Yes and meanwhile our hapless government are completely consumed and paralysed with Brexit desperately trying to hold their party together.

 

[Baldseagull]

You may be correct - I've not seen evidence of this though. Why would it not be possible for us to buy hormone inject beef from the States ( obviously clearly marked as such ) AND sell our own non-hormone injected beef to the EU ?

I admit I may be wrong. But if we were to allow imported Beef produced that way, we would have to allow our own farmers the opportunity to produce Beef in the same lower cost per carcass method, and for full equality, fed on GM crops. It should be possible to segregate herds enough to satisfy the EU that organic beef is just that, I don't know if that would involve some sort of oversight from the EU on our methods and if that would be acceptable to Pretty pink pastafairy and JCFG.
Personally, if I had the choice of beef marked organic from a country where hormone production and GM food crops are allowed and standard beef from one where those are banned, I would probably take the latter.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why would we want to take steps backwards? Seems a bit shit if the benefit of leaving is having a load of shitty meat dumped on us.

I admit I may be wrong. But if we were to allow imported Beef produced that way, we would have to allow our own farmers the opportunity to produce Beef in the same lower cost per carcass method, and for full equality, fed on GM crops. It should be possible to segregate herds enough to satisfy the EU that organic beef is just that, I don't know if that would involve some sort of oversight from the EU on our methods and if that would be acceptable to Pretty pink pastafairy and JCFG.
Personally, if I had the choice of beef marked organic from a country where hormone production and GM food crops are allowed and standard beef from one where those are banned, I would probably take the latter.

All fair points - I suspect the shoppers would quickly kill off hormone fed beef though. Maybe after leaving, the UK could become the world leader in animal welfare - ban live exports / imports ( something the EU aren't up for doing ) and not importing any Parmesan cheese ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

All fair points - I suspect the shoppers would quickly kill off hormone fed beef though. Maybe after leaving, the UK could become the world leader in animal welfare - ban live exports / imports ( something the EU aren't up for doing ) and not importing any Parmesan cheese ?

The Tories, never. Labour might. But if anything did change it would just flip-flop between whoever is in power. Hence the need for an over-arching authority......

 

[Two Professors]

Maybe Leo could start importing Argentinian beef.Would taste much nicer than the EU Red Rum beef substitute.

 

[Baldseagull]

Maybe Leo could start importing Argentinian beef.Would taste much nicer than the EU Red Rum beef substitute.

I am quite partial to a Cheval burger myself.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The Tories, never. Labour might. But if anything did change it would just flip-flop between whoever is in power. Hence the need for an over-arching authority......

Which shouldn't be the EU given their stance on live exports and the treatment of cattle in the Parmesan industry.

 

[WATFORD zero]

All fair points - I suspect the shoppers would quickly kill off hormone fed beef though. Maybe after leaving, the UK could become the world leader in animal welfare - ban live exports / imports ( something the EU aren't up for doing ) and not importing any Parmesan cheese ?

I'm not sure about shoppers stopping any lowering of food standards. I suspect that there are always people who are struggling so much that they will take the cheapest option on offer whatever the consequences.

 

[beorhthelm]

I admit I may be wrong. But if we were to allow imported Beef produced that way, we would have to allow our own farmers the opportunity to produce Beef in the same lower cost per carcass method, and for full equality, fed on GM crops.

so this is based on writing your own trade agreement with US (we must allow their beef), followed by another conclusion that we must allow local farmers to do the same. further conclusion made that all our beef would be made to that specification. the funny thing is that the presence of organic options and the regulation/certification that goes with it, tells us that things dont have to be this way. other funny thing is that we dont seem to bother about any of this with consumer goods, happily importing from far east goods, while we do not lower standards for production here.

 

[Baldseagull]

so this is based on writing your own trade agreement with US (we must allow their beef), followed by another conclusion that we must allow local farmers to do the same. further conclusion made that all our beef would be made to that specification. the funny thing is that the presence of organic options and the regulation/certification that goes with it, tells us that things dont have to be this way. other funny thing is that we dont seem to bother about any of this with consumer goods, happily importing from far east goods, while we do not lower standards for production here.

It has been quite well covered that the Americans struggle to get their agricultural products into EU markets because of GM crops, Hormone raised cattle and chlorine washing of meats. I forget the chaps name, but a senior US trade negotiator has said that we should drop EU standards,if we want a reallly good deal with the US. Whilst this may be true, the further we drift from EU standards, the less trade we will be able to do there, essentially swapping one market for another half the size and thousands of miles away.
We do not drop standards of production here, we are in the EU and there are rules, but what do you think the Tory Brexiteers mean when they say we can be more competitive?

 

[knocky1]

Not looking good for transition year in 2019, Theresa. Pay money in, adhere to all current rules and to any that may change, and get no seat at the table.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What do you get if you cross a conspiracy theorist with an idiot ?

WATFORD zero ?
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It can be difficult to understand I know, but a basis of debate is that someone says something and another person asks them to substantiate it, or raises a point of their own. That's how it works. There is nothing wrong with your approach but it isn't debating. It's normally known as 'Shouting'.

well ,you deaf eared GRIZZLERS need shouting at
regards
DR

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Looking at today's unfolding news on the transition deal, it's beginning to look like we're going to have to swallow free movement, ECJ rulings and full contributions to the EU Budget but without any voice in the EU. I guess this is what Brexiteers meant when they talked about taking back control? (BTW the hard line alternative of falling off the cliff with no transition is even worse.)
Great stuff and an object lesson in delivering something that no-one actually wanted.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why would we want to take steps backwards? Seems a bit shit if the benefit of leaving is having a load of shitty meat dumped on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI3IjZ5Ut9g
regards
DR

 

[nicko31]

Looking at today's unfolding news on the transition deal, it's beginning to look like we're going to have to swallow free movement, ECJ rulings and full contributions to the EU Budget but without any voice in the EU. I guess this is what Brexiteers meant when they talked about taking back control? (BTW the hard line alternative of falling off the cliff with no transition is even worse.)
Great stuff and an object lesson in delivering something that no-one actually wanted.

For once I find myself agreeing with Jacob Rees, this is like a vassal state. Far better it that May had actually thought things through before she triggered article 50, perhaps we could have got an extension, far better.

Well we are where we are, the Tories have tied us up in knots. Before we can move to transition we need to make December's agreement legally binding. Think most of the Tory party have forgotten what they agreed to

 

[Hampster Gull]

Why would we want to take steps backwards? Seems a bit shit if the benefit of leaving is having a load of shitty meat dumped on us.

Don’t forget the blue passports, we get those too

 

[nicko31]

You may be correct - I've not seen evidence of this though. Why would it not be possible for us to buy hormone inject beef from the States ( obviously clearly marked as such ) AND sell our own non-hormone injected beef to the EU ?

Are you David Davis?