[Politics] Brexit

[Jim in the West]

Once again complete supposition. Why would the EU put huge trade tariffs on us? They like trading with us and would want to see it continue.

Another case of a remainer not wishing to state just how great the EU is, as it's not, but simply trying to scare people from voting for freedom.

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The EU will be happy to provide tariff-free access if we allow free movement of people. That's clear. However, the majority of Brexit voters would appear to be voting Leave because they want to be able to impose restrictions on the free movement of people. Hence, if we leave, the EU would impose tariffs. It's very simple. A Brexit vote would be politically calamitous for the rest of the EU, and they would HAVE to make sure no other country followed suit. It is absolutely in their interests to make things as uncomfortable as possible for us, post-Brexit. I'm sure if we were in their position we'd do the same.

I don't think the EU is great - far from it. It's just the lesser of two evils. Better the devil you know....

 

[beorhthelm]

Guess they were not among the 2,300,000 Greeks who democratically voted to stay in the EU and accept the bailout package just 8 months ago?

well they wouldnt be would they, as that vote never happened. they did have a vote on the bailout condition last June, rejected it but it went ahead anyway. i suppose that explains the restauranteers view to get out while you can.

 

[pastafarian]

Big business is worried about the increased costs of doing business. That would seem to be a legitimate concern.

more like
worried dirt cheap labour might be harder to come by
and worried that their millions in bonuses might dry up

Loving some of the posters in this thread, you know the same ones who hate the Tories, hate the banks, hate big business, but on this occassion are hanging their hats on everything these lot say as if it was gospel.



Priceless.

and actively promoting all the negatives that go hand in hand with big business,big finance and banks as now a necessity for the economy.

If you think that's bad, just wait until we're out. Of course we MAY be able to negotiate a better deal with China, to make up for the fact that we can only trade with the EU with massive tariffs. But who knows. That's the lottery of a Brexit - we just don't know.

The biggest lottery of all is worshipped by the remainers.
The ones who admit the EU is broken(all of them) by demanding we stay in and fix it.

what are you going to reform asks everyone? show us your list of wanted reforms.

we havent got round to that,they say, but trust us,we will think about it after the referendum.

yeah of course you will...

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The EU will be happy to provide tariff-free access if we allow free movement of people. That's clear. However, the majority of Brexit voters would appear to be voting Leave because they want to be able to impose restrictions on the free movement of people. Hence, if we leave, the EU would impose tariffs. It's very simple. A Brexit vote would be politically calamitous for the rest of the EU, and they would HAVE to make sure no other country followed suit. It is absolutely in their interests to make things as uncomfortable as possible for us, post-Brexit. I'm sure if we were in their position we'd do the same.

I don't think the EU is great - far from it. It's just the lesser of two evils. Better the devil you know....

Utter scaremongering ,get a grip
regards
DR

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I can't honestly remember the FT's view on the Euro. They may have been wrong. Whatever, I very much value it as just about the only newspaper in the UK that doesn't have a blatant political stance. Its journalists are generally absolutely top notch.

In all seriousness, if we vote to Remain on 23rd June, that doesn't mean the opportunity for a Brexit is lost. We don't actually need another referendum. If (say) UKIP and a right of centre Tory party splinter group formed a government after the 2020 elections, then we could just have a vote in the House of Commons. Leaving the EU does NOT require a referendum.

I think it's well known for being pro EU and as the trade paper for big business likes to reflect their readers opinions.

The political and corporate establishment will do everything in their power to keep us where they want us ie drone consumers (see remain campaign) .. but yes when things get bad enough perhaps the electorate will get another chance. It is a national trait that we leave things until we face the precipice before stirring. Hopefully we won't be too late this time.

 

[Hampster Gull]

You would if you had a gun pointing at your head
regards
DR

They are a democratic country. They could have said no. They would have gone back to the drachma and carried on. They would have been poorer by leaving yes, but that was a choice they have. And it is our choice also, albeit in different circumstances.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

they would HAVE to make sure no other country followed suit. It is absolutely in their interests to make things as uncomfortable as possible for us

What an unpleasant organisation the EU is if that is true. Short of war, that still amounts to a dictatorship.



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[Bladders]

Guess they were not among the 2,300,000 Greeks who democratically voted to stay in the EU and accept the bailout package just 8 months ago?

Yes I mentioned that.

Their choice was be totally broke or totally broke even more

They voted for totally broke.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

more like
worried dirt cheap labour might be harder to come by
and worried that their millions in bonuses might dry up



and actively promoting all the negatives that go hand in hand with big business,big finance and banks as now a necessity for the economy.




The biggest lottery of all is worshipped by the remainers.
The ones who admit the EU is broken(all of them) by demanding we stay in and fix it.

what are you going to reform asks everyone? show us your list of wanted reforms.

we havent got round to that,they say, but trust us,we will think about it after the referendum.

yeah of course you will...

That is exactly why the remain camp are busy trying to scare people into remaining rather than encouraging us about the benefits of the EU. There are clearly so few things to boast about, they are a bit like palace fans.

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[Bladders]

They are a democratic country. They could have said no. They would have gone back to the drachma and carried on. They would have been poorer by leaving yes, but that was a choice they have. And it is our choice also, albeit in different circumstances.

What a choice ey?

Lucky them

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They are a democratic country. They could have said no. They would have gone back to the drachma and carried on. They would have been poorer by leaving yes, but that was a choice they have. And it is our choice also, albeit in different circumstances.

They did say no and were told accept crippling austerity or jump off the cliff. After being allowed to join a system they didn't meet the criteria for and being allowed to stay in despite continually breaching the rules. To dress this up as a straightforward democratic decision is grossly misleading and shows a sad lack of compassion for your fellow EU citizens who are suffering horrendously.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

They are a democratic country. They could have said no. They would have gone back to the drachma and carried on. They would have been poorer by leaving yes, but that was a choice they have. And it is our choice also, albeit in different circumstances.

They did say no. 60 percent voted against austerity but yet it was imposed by the Germans and their chattels, the French. They did not have a vote on leaving the EU though so what are you talking about?

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[Hampster Gull]

What a choice ey?

Lucky them

They could have chosen their own currency, their own trade agreements, their own debt write off. But they didnt

 

[Bladders]

If the EU Referendum was today.

They could have chosen their own currency, their own trade agreements, their own debt write off. But they didnt

You're too much!

 

[Hampster Gull]

You're too much!

Perhaps the loss would have been more than £4300 pa?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

They did say no and were told accept crippling austerity or jump off the cliff. After being allowed to join a system they didn't meet the criteria for and being allowed to stay in despite continually breaching the rules. To dress this up as a straightforward democratic decision is grossly misleading and shows a sad lack of compassion for your fellow EU citizens who are suffering horrendously.

This. This. And This again.

The whole euro scheme was a flawed piece of ideology. Everyone knew the books were cooked and yet they were allowed to join. Ridiculous.

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[Bladders]

If the EU Referendum was today.

Perhaps the loss would have been more than £4300 pa?

Are you whooooshing me?

If so, top whooooshing sir !!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's hilarious that a couple of posters here think the Greek people democratically chose to remain in the EU. Hilarious.

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[Pretty pink fairy]

They could have chosen their own currency, their own trade agreements, their own debt write off. But they didnt

Pure spin ,have you met Hamilton
regards
DR

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Are you whooooshing me?

If so, top whooooshing sir !!