Are you Catholic? Do you give a damn that the Pope is coming?

[Stoo82]

yet one most people (myself included) would think is ridiculous.

You say most people. But its not. Not in Britian anyway. Not even in Austrialia or Canada.

Don't state opinion as fact.

 

[Philzo-93]

I am Catholic but can see that the majority of people won't see the point of this visit - but there is still a large percentage that will.

Yes I do agree that a majority of the Catholic society will understand its relative importance to the Pope's visit, but how much does the passionate Catholic/Christian society hold within Great Britain?

 

[ATFC Seagull]

The Vatican does not meet the UN requirements for a real state (which is not a suprise as it's statehood was invented in deal between the Roman Church and Italian fascism) and only has observer status at the UN.
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As much as it must be way too tempting to mention the word fascism for some of you, I am sure thats not true. Without looking it up (so I could be wrong and am open to correction), was the Vatican State not preserved as part of the terms of Italian invasion of Rome in 1870??

And it IS a state - quite simply it possesses sovereignty to conduct its own international affairs (yes I was an international law student) - and at least the Pope is ELECTED (albeit by a select commity), as opposed to appointed by God through birth.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

You say most people. But its not. Not in Britian anyway. Not even in Austrialia or Canada.

Don't state opinion as fact.

Do you believe that the Queen was appointed as your ruler by God?

 

[KaylaRennerz]

I saw on the news that they are beatifying Cardinal Newman or something but there is a bit of controversy as he was a bumder apparently.
I just thought Cardinal Newman was the name of a shit school in Brighton that loads of the little twats on NSC attend.

LMFAO all my mates go to cardinal newman

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Yes I do agree that a majority of the Catholic society will understand its relative importance to the Pope's visit, but how much does the passionate Catholic/Christian society hold within Great Britain?

Probably not, and I actually don't think that in an ideal world the British taxpayer should be paying the bill for it, the Catholics should.

But:

1. People who deserve it no more such as the Queen (no power or legitimate claim to it) and heads of states that deny human rights get state visits all the time

2. There is a policing cost for all sorts of members of society who choose to hold congregations

 

[Stoo82]

Do you believe that the Queen was appointed as your ruler by God?

I miss-read your point. I thought you said most people thought a monarchy was a ridiculas institution, which you didn't. You ment the idea a 'God' put a monarch in place was ridiculas.

Sorry.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

As much as it must be way too tempting to mention the word fascism for some of you, I am sure thats not true. Without looking it up (so I could be wrong and am open to correction), was the Vatican State not preserved as part of the terms of Italian invasion of Rome in 1870??

And it IS a state - quite simply it possesses sovereignty to conduct its own international affairs (yes I was an international law student) - and at least the Pope is ELECTED (albeit by a select commity), as opposed to appointed by God through birth.

Some of the Fascist leanings of the Church are well documented

Pope Pious (or was it "innocent") refusing to condemn the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis?

The many hundreds of SS war criminals helped out of Europe by sympathetic Catholic priests after the war?

The well documented Hitler Youth membership of Benedict?...everyone had to join...MY ARSE

They may as well have a f***ing great swastika hanging on the Vatican IMO.

 

[chimneys]

Excellent stereotyping, well done.

I wasn't aiming that at the original poster, but as it was a debate about the relevance of the state visit, thought I'd add a different perspective that I don't think has been mentioned yet!

But no, seriously, I am an irrational religious nutter, and bow down to your intellectual superiority!

Prove to me your superior intelligence by explaining who's right about this religion thing that from your response you are very passionate about- the Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims or Hindus as they have all, over the centuries and right up to now, wreaked misery on their own (topical!) and others in the name of their religions.

Jeddi gets my vote!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Prove to me your superior intelligence by explaining who's right about this religion thing that from your response you are very passionate about- the Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims or Hindus as they have all, over the centuries and right up to now, wreaked misery on their own (topical!) and others in the name of their religions.

Jeddi gets my vote!

What persecutions involved the Buddhists?

 

[ATFC Seagull]

I miss-read your point. I thought you said most people thought a monarchy was a ridiculas institution, which you didn't. You ment the idea a 'God' put a monarch in place was ridiculas.

Sorry.

If a monarch wasn't given authority by God, then they were given the position of ruling over you by PURE CHANCE OF BIRTH. That makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[8ace]

It's spelt "Jedi" son
May the force be with you.
WAFHL

 

[chimneys]

What persecutions involved the Buddhists?

Apols-exclude the Buddhist faith!!

 

[chimneys]

It's spelt "Jedi" son
May the force be with you.
WAFHL

WAFHDV!!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

If a monarch wasn't given authority by God, then they were given the position of ruling over you by PURE CHANCE OF BIRTH. That makes sense, doesn't it?

No, no it doesnt make sense.

They can f*** off as well.

 

[driller]

no shit given here

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Prove to me your superior intelligence by explaining who's right about this religion thing that from your response you are very passionate about- the Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims or Hindus as they have all, over the centuries and right up to now, wreaked misery on their own (topical!) and others in the name of their religions.

Jeddi gets my vote!

I have no perception of superior intelligence whatsoever. Whilst I believe in my faith, I 100% recognise that there is no proof, and that every person is entitled to argue their own beliefs (or lack of) to the same extent. And I have no right to suggest I know better.

You, however, have decided to pidgeonhole me because I have a faith, despite me only offering a completely political and human argument.

And for the record, I personally believe fully (as does contemporary Catholic taeching) that there is no such thing as a "wrong" religion, as followed properly they are all paths to the same destination.

 

[Gazwag]

History is in the making seeing as the Pope himself shall make a state visit to the United Kingdom, the first time ever since we disassociated ourselves with the Catholic Church during Henry VIII's reign.

I thought the last pope came here in the 80's

 

[ATFC Seagull]

No, no it doesnt make sense.

They can f*** off as well.

Fair play, but a lot of the moaners on here would not think the same about a state visit somewhere by the Queen!

My point was, you have every right to think that the Pope's power is no more logical than that of the Queen, but you can't deny that as a political force he is a much larger one than she is...

 

[8ace]

WAFHDV!!

It's f***ing Ken Bates under that mask fella!