Who are the UK's "family members" who will bung Gideon a few quid when it starts to bite then?
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Who are the UK's "family members" who will bung Gideon a few quid when it starts to bite then?
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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there wont be cuts of 40%. this is just headlines, the 25-40% then noted is a completely different proposition, and thats over 5 years. so what the story really is, 5% cuts per year. even that doesn't tally with the given an amount of £20bn, quite easily over 5 years through below inflation rises.
The school has for years provided (and funded) what they term 'Twilight' lessons, in arts subjects, to allow able and committed pupils to gain art / drama / dance / etc GCSEs by attending additional weekly lessons, outside of the core school hours. My older son availed of this opportunity and subsequently gained two A* grade GCSEs above what will be available to his brother, as the school have now removed this option to save resources.
Please don't assume that people are making things up just because you don't know what they are talking about.
I'm not knocking the school one little bit, just to be clear - they have tough decisions to make. It is one of the very best State comprehensives in the country. We are very lucky.
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HKFC talked about councils and schools. Well according to the published review, the NHS and per-pupil school funding are protected, but little else. HKFC was talking about cuts on after school funding, not per-pupil funding.
Now I realise you don't have sufficient intelligence to properly dissect information you're being given, but it's a pity you can't curtail your spite as a result.
I think maybe you are the one who should listen to yourself before posting drivel?
I'm sorry, but in the English language, a 40% cut is not a decimation. A 10% cut is a decimation - that's what decimation means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)
Exactly how, other than school policy have these proposed cuts effected that option to access these twilight sessions, education is protected from any cuts.
It seems likely that the school has decided, rightly or wrongly that their resources would be better spent elsewhere.
You didnt even know there were protected departments when you entered quite abusively the debate.
Backtrack as much as you want, but it aint gonna wash with me, mate.
Excellent pedantry. Most commendable.
(though this means that 40% is actually four times HIGHER than 'decimation'. We're doomed)
No it's not - only the pupil premium is protected. Believe it or not schools get some of their budget from other government and local government sources which HAVE been cut.
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Haha, hypocritical as well as completely wrong. I initiated this debate, I started the threat you simpleton. I took umbrage at the way you abusively entered the debate. This is what I mean when I say you are not very unintelligent despite the fact you seem to think you are.
And I'm not your mate. (Probably something you often hear)
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Not quite - you asked Tory voters what they thought. I was pleasantly surprised to see the likes of yourself and HKFC giving their opinion.
Just to clarify for you, this option has been removed as the school tightens its belt due to existing cuts. Nothing to do with the proposed further cuts, except to illustrate the actual REAL decisions that are having to be made by schools.
I'll give another EXISTING REAL example if you like. The primary school that the two lads went to is a small one. Amongst its staff are no dedicated PE teachers. In fact to a (wonderful, hard-working) lady they are midle aged, experienced teachers, with zero interest, aptitute or physical ability to teach 6-11 year olds about sport or exercise. 'PE lessons' would at best just be like an extra play-time, and at worst binned off altogether.
To counter this, the head teacher brought in a young chap from the Schools Sport Partnership. Effectivelythe guy worked as the PE teacher at three local schools splitting his time equally between them, providing proper lessons to the children, and enabling the school's teachers to concentrate on what they are good at. It was an excellent arrangement, and the kids loved it.
It doesn't happen anymore. The SSP got scrapped to save money. The chap in question lost his job, and the kids are back to playing catch.
You can continue to shoot down everything you hear, and I'll continue to describe small, but genuine examples of the effects of funding cuts.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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I am sorry, my friend, if you took it this way -I did not assume that you are making this up in the slightest, and as a teacher in comprehensives for 35 years, I suspected that what you then wrote would be the case, and that is what I meant. On the idea of assumptions , to which you refer, you are a parent, and I did the job for a lifetime -who should be lecturing whom on "they don't know what they are talking about" . . .
I am slightly confused by what you are writing, by the way - are you saying that Art and Drama are not on the curriculum, and that to do them, you have to attend after-school sessions, because this sounds odd. I have never encountered a school which does not offer Art at least to GCSE.
I realise that you are not knocking the school, of course.
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That is true. I am genuinely more interested in the thoughts of Tory voters on these proposals than in the views of those more centre of left leaning. I didn't express that properly though.
Ok how much budget from your local school has been cut.
My wife went to school today as a teacher and is not aware of any impacting cuts, the business manager is still writing cheques, for a multitude of resources, I think she sanctioned the purchase of a couple of samba goals this week.
Pupil Premium I think is ensuring that deemed 'poor' pupils can access a full itinerary of activities and teaching support and I think they are entitled to it for seven years, irrespective of any change in their circumstances during that period.
It is about delivering high level service within a targeted budget, everyone else has the same challenge, it seems to me quite reasonable to me.
Budgets are tight, they're are challenging but to me wholly necessary.
Go and ask the 16 staff at Patcham High School who are at risk of redundancy due to the staffing budget being cut.
The opportunity is still there to choose any of these subjects within their normal option choices, yes. The thinking was that hard-working, more able pupils, were seen to not want to limit their choices of academic subjects, to accomodate an art, so the school funded the Twilight courses, so they could do them as well, rather than instead of.
The pupils for their part had to be committed - to do a subject involved a two-hour lesson after school every week, with absolutely compulsory attendance, and a large degree of self-study. It wasn't a 'free' bonus GCSE.
I'm not complaining about the school's decision, to be very clear - more the reasons they've been forced to make it.