[Football] 0-14: England in big tournament knockout matches vs big teams on foreign soil

[Pavilionaire]

1954: L Uruguay QF WC Basel
1962: L Brazil QF WC Vina Del Mar
1968: L Yugoslavia SF Euros Florence
1970: L West Germany QF aet WC Leon
1986: L Argentina QF WC Mexico City
1990: L West Germany SF pens WC Turin
1998: L Argentina L16 pens WC St. Etienne
2002: L Brazil QF WC Shizuoka
2004: L Portugal QF pens Euros Lisbon
2006: L Portugal QF pens WC Gelsenkirchen
2010: L Germany L16 WC Bloemfontein
2012: L Italy QF pens Euros Kiev
2018: L Croatia SF aet WC Moscow
2022: L France QF WC Al Khor

 

[Triggaaar]

Belgium 1990?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Belgium 1990?

Ranked 18th in the world at the time. Not a big beast at that point. On occasion we've done the likes of Denmark, Colombia, Senegal, Cameroon, Ukraine, Paraguay, Sweden, Ecuador but that's about it.

 

[Badger]

Germany in the last Euros?

 

[Han Solo]

The Dutch are also chronic serial losers.. these old numbers will mean nothing.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Germany in the last Euros?

At Wembley

 

[Triggaaar]

Ranked 18th in the world at the time. Not a big beast at that point

Ok, I don't know your rules. Could you then provide the rankings of all the teams that you've listed as beating us, at the time we played them.

Portugal were ranked 18th in 2003 and 17th in 2004, so you'd have dismissed them if we won against them in Portugal in 2004.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Germany in the last Euros?

Weren’t they ranked outside the top 10 at the last Euros? And obviously it wasn’t on foreign soil either.

 

[Triggaaar]

Weren’t they ranked outside the top 10 at the last Euros?

More importantly, wasn't it on home soil?

 

[Triggaaar]

Ok, I don't know your rules. Could you then provide the rankings of all the teams that you've listed as beating us, at the time we played them.

Portugal were ranked 18th in 2003 and 17th in 2004, so you'd have dismissed them if we won against them in Portugal in 2004.

And croatia were ranked 20th in June 2018. So you're OP is inaccurate.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Ok, I don't know your rules. Could you then provide the rankings of all the teams that you've listed as beating us, at the time we played them.

Portugal were ranked 18th in 2003, so you'd probably have dismissed them if we won against them in Portugal in 2004

Portugal were ranked 5th in the world in June 2004 and we lost, so I don't know what you are talking about.

I'm talking about big teams at the time, genuine contenders for the trophy.

 

[Pavilionaire]

And croatia were ranked 20th in June 2018. So you're OP is inaccurate.

They were a big team at the time, they reached the WC Final!

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Cheers Pav. Do you do kids parties as well?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Portugal were ranked 5th in the world in June 2004 and we lost, so I don't know what you are talking about.

I'm talking about big teams at the time, genuine contenders for the trophy.

Portugal were not 5th in the world in June 2004

FIFA World Ranking as of Jun 2004 | FIFARANKING.net

>This article is men's ranking as of 9 Jun 2004. FIFA RANKING.net describes latest FIFA ranking and Countries ranking and chart.

en.fifaranking.net

 

[Triggaaar]

Portugal were ranked 5th in the world in June 2004 and we lost, so I don't know what you are talking about.

This says they were 18th in Nov 2003

FIFA World Ranking as of Nov 2003 | FIFARANKING.net

>This article is men's ranking as of 19 Nov 2003. FIFA RANKING.net describes latest FIFA ranking and Countries ranking and chart.

en.fifaranking.net

And this they were ranked 17th in March 2004

FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking 17.03.2004

wildstat.com

And this says they were ranked 20th in May 2004

FIFA World Ranking as of May 2004 | FIFARANKING.net

>This article is men's ranking as of 12 May 2004. FIFA RANKING.net describes latest FIFA ranking and Countries ranking and chart.

en.fifaranking.net

I'm talking about big teams at the time, genuine contenders for the trophy.

When teams have beat us, you count them as a big team, and when we beat them you say they weren't ranked high enough, despite the fact that they were ranked higher than some teams you've claimed counted when they beat us.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Cheers Pav. Do you do kids parties as well?

I just thought it was kind of relevant to point out - in my reckoning - if we beat the Dutch then it would be our biggest - and FIRST ever - knockout win against a big contender nation on foreign soil.

I realise now it was foolish of me to have embarked on this thread without providing FIFA World Rankings at the date of each match, as the matter is entirely subjective.

 

[ROSM]

Under southgate we haven't beaten a team ranked above us in a competitive match.

Netherlands and Spain are both currently ranked below us

 

[Triggaaar]

They were a big team at the time, they reached the WC Final!

No, you're making up daft rules. They only reached the final because they beat us, but if we'd beaten them you'd have said it didn't count as they weren't a big team.

 

[AZ Gull]

Under southgate we haven't beaten a team ranked above us in a competitive match.

Netherlands and Spain are both currently ranked below us

Just out of interest - how many times have we played a team ranked above us in a competitive match under Southgate?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Portugal were not 5th in the world in June 2004

FIFA World Ranking as of Jun 2004 | FIFARANKING.net

>This article is men's ranking as of 9 Jun 2004. FIFA RANKING.net describes latest FIFA ranking and Countries ranking and chart.

en.fifaranking.net

1. They were hosts and expected to do well.

2. They did do well, they got to the final and threw it away vs Greece having beaten Spain, us and the Dutch en route. WC s/f 2 years later

3. They were 5th at the year end http://www.rankfootball.com/men-2004.html

4. Ergo, they were a big team at the time of the game.