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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    I've already spoken on the many failures of Ashley as an owner, and I've already spoken on the fact that everybody's battles are their own. Was Ashley as bad as your previous owners? No. Was he bad? Yes. If football fans were only allowed to complain about their players, manager, owner if...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    No, he's just a bad owner who will be the death of your football club. the point I'm making is pretty straightforward. We had no say in who Ashley sold to, we have little say in who owns the club now, if we were to oust the owners it could cost us a lot and gain us nothing and the stink kicked...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Convince myself of what, exactly?
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    We've only lost once as well. We'll be fine. We've got ASM, Wilson, Isak and Bruno to return to full fitness. We're creating chances and defending well. Just need a bit of luck and for the officials not to be useless. We'd have got a point against Liverpool (maybe more) and all 3 points against...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    I think we have to be realistic here and accept that, at this time few have any appetite for ousting the Saudis. I get that it's easy to reduce it down to a binary choice, but it's not anything like that straightforward. There are protest groups, there are conversations between friends, but as a...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Orrrrr Truth 1. Most Newcastle fans were desperate to get rid of Ashley Truth 2. Any accepted bidder that got through the O&D test would be welcomed by the fans. My club is just the latest victim of late stage capitalism encroaching into cultural touchstones.
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    That's another part of this. I've been really aware of 4 ownership eras, Sir John Hall, Shepherd (although Hall family still represented), Ashley and now the Saudis. I was supporting Newcastle before they were in place and will likely be here after they've gone. I can't see the Saudis going...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    I guess it comes down to semantics. You want me to say I support the Saudi takeover, because in so doing I'm implicitly supporting the Saudis. This isn't the case. I've said it before the fans, and I include myself, were desperate to see the back of Ashley, desperate. We wanted him out. If any...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    That isn't the only logical conclusion, not by a long shot. It's reductive and wilfully ignorant, it's provocative and seeks only to divide into two camps. Life isn't black and white (pun unintended). My words didn't suggest I was talking about a couple of season in the doldrums, I was talking...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    We were £100m in debt to Ashley, he had stated he wasn't going to fund us going forward and that we had to 'wipe our own nose'. We didn't have the saleable assets at the beginning of the season so had we gone down (which we would have under Bruce) we would have had neither the coach to get us...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Fair play. I have some friends who have reluctantly walked away from their club because of the Saudi takeover and I've nothing but respect for them. If you genuinely believe you'd walk away, just like that, fair play. I know none of those friends found it so easy to just walk away from their...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    1. He had broken the connection between the club and it's fans. Under Ashley ten thousand supporters walked away, the club didn't exist as a sporting institution any more. It was merely a giant billboard for his sportswear brand. He cared only for our existence in the Premier League. Zero...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Sure thing mate. It appears you've zero interest in discussion and are far more interested in point-scoring. Well, you crack on, I guess.
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Life isn't as binary as you make it out. I also would suggest that, were you in the same position, you may not be so absolute in your assertion.
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Do you know the term "Logical Fallacy"?
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    I'm not going to bother repeating myself. Just look back through my posts and you'll see my position has been made pretty clear.
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    Makes total sense for other clubs to raise their prices for us. I don't have a problem with that. It's because of the perception that we're going to splash the cash, and/or because they don't want to strengthen a rival. That's why Leicester were demanding £60m for Maddison. Along a similar vein...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    The thing is, some of us were protesting as it appeared that the authorities were obfuscating the reason for the delay in the takeover going through. They still haven't been honest about the reason for the delay. It wasn't about anything but broadcast piracy. It wasn't separation of PIF and KSA...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    It's not that I want a top 4 club over everything, it's that, for 14 years I saw my club dissolve into a shadow of it's former self. I mean, away from the performances on the pitch. There was no fan/club relationship by the end. Thousands had walked away. re: the outrage it's fair to say we...
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    [Football] Saudi consortium to take over Newcastle

    And yet the Glazers still own Manchester United, they still run the club the way they want to, and FCUM still only play in the Northern Premier League, pulling gates of under 2k. So walking away; wouldn't change ownership, wouldn't change the owners approach, would hugely diminish the standard...

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