And I’m saying he doesn’t need to consider this a sacrifice as he can still go to the football. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.
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nevergoagain
Well-known member
Corporate tax avoidance is where I would be looking at first. Legislation to force the big guns and others to pay tax in the country where revenue comes from ought on the face of things be possible but acknowledge there are a lot of discounts given for infrastructure investments.
My worry about blanket wealth taxes on individuals is we really don't want to drive away those who we want to continue to invest in the country for growth and run a lot of our biggest companies. To be honest if they've already paid tax once it's unfair to ask them to pay again but I know that will have me lambasted as a capitalist swine by some. Proving asset ownership and then how to extract that tax if those assets are not able to be realised is also another major issue.
My worry about blanket wealth taxes on individuals is we really don't want to drive away those who we want to continue to invest in the country for growth and run a lot of our biggest companies. To be honest if they've already paid tax once it's unfair to ask them to pay again but I know that will have me lambasted as a capitalist swine by some. Proving asset ownership and then how to extract that tax if those assets are not able to be realised is also another major issue.
- Oct 20, 2022
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What GB was suggesting was something I also posted 10 days ago on the Labour meltdown thread - perhaps it is more timely to mention it now the discussion has moved on to alternatives?
[Politics] - Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
The money is being earmarked to local government as extra funding (to the tune of over £4 billion) as the bold highlights in my post above. The key though is that it is not means tested which is the root of the problem here.
The low threshold of wealth and sudden cut off of £1,000s worth of grants/concessions/benefits/discounts for those just above the cut off means that means tested benefits pushes millions of excluded people into hardship when the cost of living increases but creates a poverty trap for those on benefits who can’t afford to give up their welfare income a go to work.
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That’s less than Brexit should be paying to the NHS every week.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
….and paid directly to the account with the energy company, so unless the company is asked for a refund it is spent directly on paying their energy bill
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Wrong thread.
I’d hazard a guess that this thread wouldn’t exist if that bus had been right, as we all awoke from our silken sheets to a bath run from our gold taps and breakfast of milk and honey, safe in the knowledge that President For Life Farage had given us not only an economy but also a health service that was the envy of the entire planet.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Be gentle he’s still suffering like this LD councillor
‘I was diagnosed with PTSD over Brexit,’ Lib Dem councillor says
Exclusive: ‘I have not been in Sudan fighting in a war, but Brexit has had a profound impact on me,’ Antonia Harrison told The Independent
www.independent.co.uk
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
At least he has some people in the same boat on here with whom he can discuss it.Be gentle he’s still suffering like this LD councillor
‘I was diagnosed with PTSD over Brexit,’ Lib Dem councillor says
Exclusive: ‘I have not been in Sudan fighting in a war, but Brexit has had a profound impact on me,’ Antonia Harrison told The Independent
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I’m sure it’s a source of great comfort
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
A problem shared is a problem halved.
You said "... lost their go at having their party in Government".
As if only Tories are annoyed/angry with Labour over this.
Wrong.
pocketseagull
Well-known member
- Dec 29, 2014
- 1,303
Got it. GB offered an alternative of energy companies cutting bills for vulnerable customers but said he expected people might react that it's anti-business, I was just suggesting that anyone complaining of a policy being anti-business were likely to be more on the tory voting spectrum. Sorry for the confusion.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,978
@Zeberdi
4,950 excess winter deaths caused by cold homes last winter
Excess winter deaths have increased as records show that when winter temperatures drop below 4 degrees, deaths caused by cold homes increase.www.endfuelpoverty.org.uk
These are the statistics for the last few years including this winter past, which included the WFA.
In April 2022 there was a 54% increase in the domestic energy price cap, leading to several thousand further deaths year on year.
On October 1st this year, the price cap raises again a further 10%, after a minor drop in price in the last 12 months. On average, households are paying over 29% more than two years ago and now with the poorest and most vulnerable without WFA offsetting some of the difference.
The year after WFA was introduced, confirmed deaths from cold homes have fallen in line with mean winter temperatures. Here are the government statistics showing a correlation between colder temperatures and numbers of deaths from cold homes.
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You’re having a mare with this one. Strange hill to die on, every single official report, even ones from your own side, directly contradict the point you’re trying to make. I appreciate you’re being “loyal” and don’t actually believe anything you’re saying - you’ll be the first to admit that - but it is a fact that deaths from cold homes rise when poor people can’t afford to heat them. Unequivocal fact.
It’s an incredible performance from @Zeberdi seeing as 48 hours ago he was placing this thread on ignore
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,978
Luxury
was the that one which came with half a pork pie and flat lemonade at half time in a decrepit portacabin?
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,978
Would.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,978
“But but but The Tories!”I find it sickening the way the right wing press have been so faux outraged by it - its absolutely a policy that if it were the Tories they would be fully behind as a rational and sensible cut to make - it's more of a Tory policy anyway on the face of it.
Such is the gutter press in this country, though
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,978
The vast majority of us.
Furious about the WFA cut. Still hate the Tories. It’s possible to be politically agnostic and call out bullshit from the government even if I’d rather them than the alternative.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
He's a genuine football fan, who has had a season ticket for decades, and you're saying that he needs to ditch it because he's now PM. Presumably it was OK when he was Leader of the Opposition for you? Or when he was in the Shadow Cabinet? Or DPP? How else do you want to manage his time?
That last question will probably get some trite response. PMs work incredibly long hours, apart from Johnson. Starmer (wrongly, in my view) cut short his holiday to deal with the far right on the rampage on our streets when keyboard warriors were all a frenzy.
Why can't he have about 20 weekend afternoons off, and 10 or so weekday evenings, just so he can relax, like most of us do?