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[News] Exploding pagers across Lebanon







ElectricNaz

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Indeed. Although it’s unlikely they’d have been targeted unless they were members of an Iran backed terror organisation. An organisation that was launching rockets at buses and shops in Israel. Will you condemn that?
I would condemn it but it's genuinely hard to condemn something that hasn't happened. How do you know they've targetted these btw?

Also, does "Iran backed" make something worse than "it's Israel doing Israel things"?
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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10/10 Sherlock. Did you get a Masters in Stating the f***ing Obvious?

Maybe next time huh?

Know which mast your colours are pinned to.
I am ambivalent about the event. My colours are not pinned to a mast. Neither of us have any idea whether a pager would have been triggered if someone was up in a plane. It may be that someone in a plane would be out of signal range and so it couldnt have been detonated, or it may not. In any case, it's hypothetical.
 
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wellquickwoody

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I am ambivalent about the event. My colours are not pinned to a mast. Neither of us have any idea whether a pager would have been triggered if someone was up in a plane. It may be that someone in a plane would be out of signal range and so it couldnt have been detonated, or it may not. In any case, it's hypothetical.
Take off and landing, most vulnerable time for an aircraft, DEFINITELY in range around those periods.
 




beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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So if Ukraine managed to sabotage and detonate the mobile phones of 3000 of Putin's chain of command to disrupt his ability to wage war in Ukraine that would be unacceptable to you? Is that what you're saying?
it would appear so. the premise this disrupts anything is flawed, it's physical maiming that doesn't necessarily achieve anything.

i reckon Ukraine on Russia is a go for you, what about the rest; is Russia on Ukraine acceptable?
 




Seagull58

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Jan 31, 2012
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it would appear so. the premise this disrupts anything is flawed, it's physical maiming that doesn't necessarily achieve anything.

i reckon Ukraine on Russia is a go for you, what about the rest; is Russia on Ukraine acceptable?
I am ambivalent about all the scenarios but more favourable towards Ukraine on Russia and the ANC on the apartheid government because of the history of those conflicts.
On the positive side, a well-executed operation of this type could significantly disrupt the enemy's operational capabilities, even to the extent of leaving it open to military defeat, whilst incurring only a few civilian casualties relative to the number of combatant casualties.
But on the negative side there have been civilian casualties and it may not, in fact, disrupt the enemy's capabilities to a permanent or long-lasting extent so may achieve very little strategically. We just don't know.
I have issues with the Israeli action specifically because their objectives are not as clearcut as in the cases of Ukraine and the ANC. They have the right to self-defence but are they simply trying to stop Hezbollah attacking them or do they have expansionist objectives, as evidenced by the ongoing building of settlements?
 




Feb 23, 2009
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Brighton factually.....
Not the case but welcome back.
I went to the match tonight to support the Albion……

you stayed on here trying to justify Israel.

I’m not left or right, I don’t support Hamas, Hisbollah, Russia, Ukraine or who the feckever.

I’m just against religion, intolerance and injustice.

The state of Israel was forced on these people of this region without consultation

We right royally fecked up, it was not ours to give, or the Jewish population to take, chosen land my arse it’s fiction.

religion is Bollox
 


Seagull58

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I went to the match tonight to support the Albion……

you stayed on here trying to justify Israel.

I’m not left or right, I don’t support Hamas, Hisbollah, Russia, Ukraine or who the feckever.

I’m just against religion, intolerance and injustice.

The state of Israel was forced on these people of this region without consultation

We right royally fecked up, it was not ours to give, or the Jewish population to take, chosen land my arse it’s fiction.

religion is Bollox
I have said Israel's action was a targetted attack on enemy combatants, not an indiscriminate attack on the civilian population. That is not a justification and I did not say I approved of it. I am ambivalent about it. I also watched the match (on TV).
As for religion, I am an atheist.
I most definitely support Ukraine.
 


wellquickwoody

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but it didn't happen!
Nor has the use of nuclear weapons in modern warfare. That does not stop me criticising the idea and encouraging action to be taken to deter their use. Let’s hope that innocent people do not get hurt or maybe your conscience might have to have a think.
 




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Guinness Boy

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I would condemn it but it's genuinely hard to condemn something that hasn't happened. How do you know they've targetted these btw?

Also, does "Iran backed" make something worse than "it's Israel doing Israel things"?
Here’s one of many available reports about Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel “on an almost daily basis”.


Iran have been doing dangerous Iran things since the ousting of The Shah. As well as funding and commanding the terrorist organisation Hezbollah, they are also said to be allies of the Houthis, another little group fond of rocket fire. They’re also allies of Russia and are said to be supplying them with arms to attack Ukraine with in return with help enriching uranium.

They are every bit as dangerous and ideological as Israel. They just worship their sky fairy differently.
 
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carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
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So you’re saying that the cause was dodgy Chinese batteries as a serious theory?

Jesus Christ.


It seems that at least some Hezbollah members believe the explosions are linked to batteries.

Several of them quickly took the batteries out of their radios and tossed them away after one exploded during a funeral in a southern suburb of Beirut, according to the Reuters news agency.
 




Zeberdi

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It seems that at least some Hezbollah members believe the explosions are linked to batteries.

Several of them quickly took the batteries out of their radios and tossed them away after one exploded during a funeral in a southern suburb of Beirut, according to the Reuters news agency.

That’s not what you were saying though nor what @Guinness Boy was challenging you on.

You were suggesting several thousand handsets exploded all at the same time because the batteries were from China and negligently faulty and that heads would probably roll as a consequence.

Maybe you didn’t realise how absurd that sounded?
 


Feb 23, 2009
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Brighton factually.....
Maybe you didn’t realise how absurd that sounded?
He is not the only one though....

trump-china-chynah.gif
 


Guinness Boy

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That’s not what you were saying though nor what @Guinness Boy was challenging you on.

You were suggesting several thousand handsets exploded all at the same time because the batteries were from China and negligently faulty and that heads would probably roll as a consequence.

Maybe you didn’t realise how absurd that sounded?
Oh he definitely realises. It's just trolling and not to be taken seriously by anyone.
 


Eric the meek

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Here’s one of many available reports about Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel “on an almost daily basis”.


Iran have been doing dangerous Iran things since the ousting of The Shah. As well as funding and commanding the terrorist organisation Hezbollah, they are also said to be allies of the Houthis, another little group fond of rocket fire. They’re also allies of Russia and are said to be supplying them with arms to attack Ukraine with in return with help enriching uranium.

They are every bit as dangerous and ideological as Israel. They just worship their sky fairy differently.
I see your post has been up for 4 hours, without reply from the Hezbollah apologists. That is to be expected. One-eyed thinking, which is at best, double standards, but at worst, might be concealing something much more insidious.

If it's any consolation, I got the same response (absolute silence) after pointing one of them to indiscriminate Russian bombing of Ukrainian civilians. I've not seen any of them on the Russia-Ukraine thread. Ever.

A word on Iran (who back Hezbollah). They sell Iranian made Shahed drones to Russia, in the full knowledge that Russia will use them to kill Ukrainians. Any Ukrainiains. It just depends where they happen to land. This is a prime example of an indiscriminate attack (this time a real one), as opposed to the precise attack by Israel they forlornly try to present as indiscriminate.
 




Official Old Man

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Aug 27, 2011
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Brighton
WW1 & WW2 took millions of lives, but we look back at events and say how brilliant a tactic that took many lives was. Send men onto a beach in France knowing a huge death toll would occure.
So in the same way we have to admire the fact that the exploding walkie talkies and pagers were a brilliant tactic that took years to prepare and was execucted to perfection.
That said, any death, be it in war or an accident, is a very sad event and when children are involved it is even worse.
 


carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
6,145
Amazonia
Oh he definitely realises. It's just trolling and not to be taken seriously by anyone.
Reversing the polarity of the batteries by applying a signal remotely though might cause a small battery explosion and of course electrolytic capacitors when a voltage is reversed will definitely explode , have accidentally done that myself and had a bit of a fright when re applying the power source after careless repair work
Anyway also interesting to me at least that there were reports of Solar Systems exploding spontaneously , many like our own home set up will be using battery storage
. Ours is linked to the Inverter manufacturer " Solis" and they are able to change every setting in the menu and possibly others that are hidden to the user .
This was explained to me by the installation company and was how I originally changed charge and discharge times by phoning before understanding how I can do myself .
Any system that can be accessed remotely can of course be hacked . Anyone thinking about buying a Chinese EV
 
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