There we are! Thousands of pagers and no one thought to check them for trackers? (Let alone explosives)Impressive work. Must have taken a lot of planning and building of trust (didn't the terrorists investigate a single one?).
There we are! Thousands of pagers and no one thought to check them for trackers? (Let alone explosives)Impressive work. Must have taken a lot of planning and building of trust (didn't the terrorists investigate a single one?).
Indeed. They are brilliant. Which makes it even more puzzling that they apparently didn't have even the slightest idea that the 7/10 attack was in the offing. (Despite months / years of planning)Mossad gonna Mossad.
fiendish as in an evil villain kind of way, yes.Fiendishly inspired action by Mossad; the pagers were ordered by Hezbollah and therefore their actual activists are targeted. This has got to be better than dropping a bomb on an apartment block in which an activist may live among the general populace. However, it is very much a one-off strike which can't be repeated again.
oh they did and let it ride, as a pretence to flatten, displace and indiscriminately kill 43000 in revenge.Indeed. They are brilliant. Which makes it even more puzzling that they apparently didn't have even the slightest idea that the 7/10 attack was in the offing. (Despite months / years of planning)
You are arguing from the specific (what I wrote) to the general. Of course it is a good thing that people understand global events. That is not what I was addressing (and I had in fact made some attempt to do exactly what you recommend - contextualize the events and consider comments made about them).I disagree.
I think it matters very much what the international community thinks about geo-political events and conflicts around the world and that includes the electorate of that international community - ie us.
One cannot insulate oneself from moral culpability or even vested interest just because one might not be the one pulling the trigger or hiding in bomb shelters.
We live in a complex, multi-faceted geo-political reality where a conflict in one part of the world has a myriad of interconnecting self interests and can be significant on a global level.
‘When a butterfly flaps it’s wings in the Amazon rain forest, it can change the weather half a world away’.
- chaos theory.
Are you saying what I think you're saying?Indeed. They are brilliant. Which makes it even more puzzling that they apparently didn't have even the slightest idea that the 7/10 attack was in the offing. (Despite months / years of planning)
I really don't think that Mossad or Bibi deliberately allowed hundreds of Israelis to be killed and 100 to be taken hostage (with some allegedly abused and many certainly murdered) simply to justify a bit of genocide.oh they did and let it ride, as a pretence to flatten, displace and indiscriminately kill 43000 in revenge.
Wow people celebrating the death of innocent children, i hope the people who posted these celebrations have been banned, can you link me to these disgusting posts please?BBC now reporting two children killed in the pager attack which some on here view as a cause for celebration.
An eight-year-old girl and an 11-year-old boy.
Pager attack in Lebanon: Two children among 12 killed by exploding pagers, as reports say Israel was behind attack
Thousands of pagers exploded across Lebanon yesterday - reports say Israel's spy agency, Mossad, was targeting Hezbollah fighters.www.bbc.co.uk
As much as I respect your views and superior intelligence.I really don't think that Mossad or Bibi deliberately allowed hundreds of Israelis to be killed and 100 to be taken hostage (with some allegedly abused and many certainly murdered) simply to justify a bit of genocide.
That's not correct though. I'm sure you recall the recent operation where they infiltrated the Hamas tunnel network and got very close to rescuing 6 Israeli hostages who were then brutally murdered by Hamas operatives to prevent them being rescued alive.Interesting Mossad is able to carry out such an inherently cunning and brilliant plan which would have involved a lot of intricate planning, detail and precision execution.
Especially given that the only way the Israeli government can apparently rescue a few dozen hostages in Gaza is by bombing it out of existence and killing everyone who lives there.
It's not at all indiscriminate. It precisely targeted the Hezbollah operatives that use pagers distributed by their leadership. Nobody else uses those pagers.Very clever. Seems rather indiscriminate as the owner could be anywhere when it’s activated.
It's not.No. It's terrorism
Fair enough but you have frequently argued that our opinions in the UK don’t matter when it comes to what is happening in the ME or indeed the US election so assumed it was more of the same.You are arguing from the specific (what I wrote) to the general. Of course it is a good thing that people understand global events. That is not what I was addressing (and I had in fact made some attempt to do exactly what you recommend - contextualize the events and consider comments made about them).
What I wrote was this:
"As with the rest of the Israel vs the Muslim world conflict there is nothing good about any of it, but that still doesn't mean it is all the same, every event identical. Some may argue that indifference to civilian causalities is the same as the deliberate targeting of civilians. I'm not sure that's particularly helpful. Anyway, even what we think about it matters not a jot."
I was explaining what I thought about the discussion about whether the attack on the pagers was equivalent to 9/11. My point was that they are not the same. I added that what we think about it (i.e., whether we think they are the same or not the same) matters not a jot.
Hopefully I have now explained properly what I meant.
It was a precisely targeted attack on the Hezbolla organisational structure, designed to disrupt and immobilise it.FFS. Yet more IDF terror tactics.
But it was a targetted attack. It precisely targeted the 3000 or so pagers used exclusively by Hezbollah to run their organisation.Any normal person with empathy, no matter which side they sit on, should not be celebrating civilian deaths. If this were a targeted attack, this would be brilliant. But this isn't. I would have said nothing if people weren't celebrating the killing of a child.
would have liked to think so, however the way they have prosecuted their war since makes one suspicious. they have no intent to resolve the crisis other than through subjugation of Gaza, and seem to have started on West Bank too.I really don't think that Mossad or Bibi deliberately allowed hundreds of Israelis to be killed and 100 to be taken hostage (with some allegedly abused and many certainly murdered) simply to justify a bit of genocide.
Do you think it would be acceptable for IDF to be targeted the same way with 1000s of civilians injured and children killed in Tel Aviv?But it was a targetted attack. It precisely targeted the 3000 or so pagers used exclusively by Hezbollah to run their organisation.
Amazing, why are two children dead then ?It's not at all indiscriminate. It precisely targeted the Hamas operatives that use pagers distributed by their leadership. Nobody else uses those pagers.