It shuts down their mobile communications. I should have been clearer.Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.
It shuts down their mobile communications. I should have been clearer.Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.
Yep, agreed, I’ve not phrased that well. It closes down part of their operation, not the whole thing. Anything where they needed to organise on the move.I agree completely with your last sentence but question that in bold.
If it were the case that taking out several thousand pagers has shut down ‘an entire mo’, there might be a military justification to this attack but I do have doubt they have shut down anything. In fact this could invoke a response from Iran or Yemen while Hezbollah regroup and re-equip. Just this week, Yemen launched a new type of long range missile into the heart of Israel that evaded the Iron dome and oil has already leaked into the waters of the Red Sea from an attacked oil tanker.
Because Israel is not fighting just Hamas in Gaza nor even a state army located in another geographical area but fighting non-state terrorist entities who share a similar ideology to brethren groups spread throughout the ME and Yemen - an all out war with Hezbollah could be devastating for the entire region. Hezbollah are a military strength receiving most of its equipment, training and funding from Iran and Syria and are likely the most heavily armed non-state group in the world.
When all sides to a conflict have a history of showing scant regard for civilian casualties in pursuit of their military objectives, it leaves little hope for civilian welfare in the event of escalation.
There are no winners in this conflict, just losers.
There’s nothing to celebrate here imo.
(EDIT - I should add only my first sentence and next paragraph was really directed at you/your post not the rest)
It was more that they could trace where people were from their mobile phone signal triangulation. Seemly the Israelis killed a commander using this technology.Hezbollah use pagers instead of mobiles because mobiles are not secure and can be hacked (if you have a national security agency who know how to do it).
Who's laughing at a dead child ? Faulty batteries can be dangerous and there have been incidents in this country caused by fires and explosions where people have actually been killed , including children .If you think this is fact, where’s your evidence?
If this is your idea of a joke, you’re a disgrace. Very high and mighty on the Huw Edwards thread, now laughing at a dead child.
So you’re saying that the cause was dodgy Chinese batteries as a serious theory?Who's laughing at a dead child ? Faulty batteries can be dangerous and there have been incidents in this country caused by fires and explosions where people have actually been killed , including children .
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That was my first thought , on reflection there is probably a more complex explanation but as yet no proof that Israel had anything to do with it as far as I know .So you’re saying that the cause was dodgy Chinese batteries as a serious theory?
Jesus Christ.
You really have to wonder what goes on in some people's heads.Tell you what is targetted, this thread. A rather cynical ploy by the OP who fully aware it would instantly become a binfest that would likely end up shut down, takes the extra traffic and ads delivered.
Blimey.Tell you what is targetted, this thread, nothing to do with football and stuck right in the 'big board' for maximum effect. A rather cynical ploy by the OP who fully aware it would instantly become a binfest that would likely end up shut down, takes the extra traffic and ads delivered.
That's an interesting theory.Tell you what is targetted, this thread. A rather cynical ploy by the OP who fully aware it would instantly become a binfest that would likely end up shut down, takes the extra traffic and ads delivered.
To some on here all of the area known as Israel is occupied land though strangely enough Israel has occupied that area longer than Syria had control of it and whilst it might have been recognised by the UN as Syrian that was following an arbitrary split of land between France and Britain.The tragic and very sad football incident wasn’t in ‘Israel’ any more than Gaza, East Jerusalem or the West Bank is in ‘Israel’ - it was in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights. At least apprise yourself of the facts.
As for the sentence in bold, I’m speechless (unless you were just referring to Israeli citizens)
How would you suggest Israel defend itself from constant attack by prescribed terrorist groups?And how many civilian injuries?
Plus the fact Israel like to say that every citizen is a terrorist as we've seen in Gaza so to them anyone you hit is a terrorist, their reporting of civilian casualties is massively under reported.
You just reminded me why I put him on ignore.So you’re saying that the cause was dodgy Chinese batteries as a serious theory?
Jesus Christ.
Have you read the Bible, it's pretty clear why that area was chosen by the Jews.Or instead of abuse, you could engage with the point. An Israeli homeland could have been anywhere in the world. Jews live everywhere in the world, still countless more outside Israel than in it. Almost anywhere else would have removed one of the biggest impediments to world peace that we have today.
I detest the Israeli state's recent genocidal actions in Gaza, and so far be it for me to defend them - but this statement is really not true at all, is it?This was a remarkable attack by Mossad. But as others have said, it was very random because anybody could have been near the pagers when they went off. So, they decided it was an acceptable consequence that innocent people would be hurt and potentially killed in this strike. They calculated the human cost against taking out some very bad people, and decided to go ahead. It says everything about the tactics and outlook of Mossad and probably reflects the thinking of the Israeli government.
In many ways, it was as cowardly an attack as 9/11 and October 7th last year in Israel. Intentional targeting of non-combatants to strike at the heart of the perceived enemy - I'm sure Mossad will point to the owners of these devices being Hamas terrorists and that is true, but it's also true that there would be a lot of non-Hamas/non-terrorist victims and immediately there were. I don't see how this helps their cause overall, other than taking some Hamas terrorists off the board.
I agree they intentionally targeted Hezbollah. No question about it - that was their intention and I've read commentary saying that they weren't even sure they were going to follow through with the plot, but were worried about detection so decided to go ahead. I wonder if they regret that choice now, or would have been more targeted - I'm sure we'll never know.I detest the Israeli state's recent genocidal actions in Gaza, and so far be it for me to defend them - but this statement is really not true at all, is it?
9/11 and October 7th both deliberately targeted civilians - the former to cause mass casualty and strike at the heart of corporate USA, and the latter to deliberately cause absolute horror in the Israeli population.
This latest episode, seems genuinely TARGETTED at Hezbollah - but (to my mind, at least) with zero regard for the inevitable 'collateral damage'. That isn't right - but it isn't the same.
Root and cause.How would you suggest Israel defend itself from constant attack by prescribed terrorist groups?
I agree with you up to the analogy with 9/11 and October 7. Both of these were deliberate attacks on civilians.This was a remarkable attack by Mossad. But as others have said, it was very random because anybody could have been near the pagers when they went off. So, they decided it was an acceptable consequence that innocent people would be hurt and potentially killed in this strike. They calculated the human cost against taking out some very bad people, and decided to go ahead. It says everything about the tactics and outlook of Mossad and probably reflects the thinking of the Israeli government.
In many ways, it was as cowardly an attack as 9/11 and October 7th last year in Israel. Intentional targeting of non-combatants to strike at the heart of the perceived enemy - I'm sure Mossad will point to the owners of these devices being Hamas terrorists and that is true, but it's also true that there would be a lot of non-Hamas/non-terrorist victims and immediately there were. I don't see how this helps their cause overall, other than taking some Hamas terrorists off the board.
They wanted it, but it was us that gave it. Lots of places around the world were considered, Alaska, Tasmania, Uganda.Have you read the Bible, it's pretty clear why that area was chosen by the Jews.
The biggest impediment to peace has been the establishment of 'nation states' where they had no right to exist as they don't match to ethnic/tribal/religious/racial boundaries and as a result you have people arguing, fighting, killing to alter those national borders. I would suggest establishing a new nation state , Jewish or indeed any other race/religion anywhere would have caused problems.
Where do you think would be a good place.