[Albion] Enciso gets the Number 10

JBizzle · Sep 12, 2024

Not making any particular point, but I thought that it's interesting that of his 35 apps for Brighton, he's started 15 times and for Paraguay he started 14 of his 19
apps. I suspect it's because of multiple factors (including injury, competition for places etc), but mentally I can understand a player who's integral to a good standard international team being disappointed to not get as many starts as he'd like for a mid-ranking Premier League team.

I've said it before, but since he was 16, he's been a prodigy and has seen his career go up and up and up. This may be the first time his career has plateaued, so it'll be interesting to see how he deals with it.

Overall, I think he's a stunning talent, only 20 years old, and has bags of potential. If he can get his head up occasionally and look for the right pass over the worldie shot (whilst also scoring a few of them still!), he'll be a genuine phenomenon.

Nobby Cybergoat · Sep 12, 2024

Uh_huh_him said:
That may have been me.

I had a fantastic view of it, and laughed at myself as soon as it hit the net

Think, I said .... nooooo ... just as Skalak was lining up his famous volley as well.

Which does bring me nicely onto the point I want to make which is that obviously we all want Brighton to win every game and do as well as we possibly can, but actually we go to football for incredible moments which we will always remember and will talk about to our children.

I'm sure when Garry Nelson dribbled round 64 defenders and scored, there were probably better options on as the move developed. I'm sure there's some spreadsheet metric, which would tell you that when Maradona picked up the ball against us in his own half in the Azteca in 86 he was better off whacking it in behind the full back for someone to chase.

But i'm positive. This whole pervading, "when we see a player with genuine skill, we have to box him into a system, in case our stats take a nose dive" mentality, I reckon has peaked and will recede in time. I'm actually quite heartened when I see Guardiola buy and play a player like Doku. Embrace the randomness. Football can't be entirely tamed. When skillful players are empowered to take risks, it's not only good for sport as a whole, but the team performance, I believe will improve

Oh_aye · Sep 12, 2024

I love Julio. Every time I see him coming on my spirits rise and he makes things happen. plays on his tiptoes and tries to take things forward. Looking forward to see him properly get into a rythm this season.

WhingForPresident · Sep 12, 2024

He's massively talented but seems a bit of a mercenary on the pitch at times and maybe lacks a bit of maturity, even for his young age. The Crawley game was a fine example. He did some great stuff but also did too much at times, to the detriment of our attacking movements. I get he was probably 'staking a claim' for a starting berth but he doesn't seem to get that being an integral part of the team effort is more likely to do that than trying to run past the whole defence or smack one in from 30 yards if it means you're making choices which aren't right for the team. Hopefully it'll come with time and the right guidance.

Justice · Sep 12, 2024

Milano said:
Why bring up March on this thread?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Enciso is a 'problem' but there are reasons why at the moment he's not in the starting 11, that is what is being discussed. It seems a section of Paraguay fans are having similar discussions.

I'll bite on March - I agree to an extent but with March it tends to be picking the wrong pass or waiting too long or sometimes just bad shooting technique etc. With Enciso it's how can I get a shot off from literally anywhere without even considering a pass.

To your last point he is probably the best long range shooter in the squad, in recent games just maybe when we aren’t winning he has been instructed to shoot if space opens up. If FH took that away from his locker that would be daft.
This thread is going the same way as this seasons Adingra thread, sell him not good enough … oh hang on a minute maybe he is the talent sensible posters knew was.

Nobby Cybergoat · Sep 12, 2024

Justice said:
To your last point he is probably the best long range shooter in the squad,

Could we go further? Our best long range shooter ever? I know it's a reasonably small sample, but the ones he misses generally look pretty convincing. I'm not sure we've been overly blessed as a club with players who can properly ping one

Justice said:
If FH took that away from his locker that would be daft.

If RDZ couldn't, I don't see that Hurzeler can.

dwayne · Sep 12, 2024

Attitude is not quite right for enciso as well. Spends more time playing for various iterations of his international team than for us and we pay his bloody wages. He needs to knuckle down.

Papa Lazarou · Sep 12, 2024

Before his injury he was pretty much there. He has the talent and was creating goals for team mates as well as scoring.

Since

Nobby Cybergoat said:
Could we go further? Our best long range shooter ever? I know it's a reasonably small sample, but the ones he misses generally look pretty convincing. I'm not sure we've been overly blessed as a club with players who can properly ping one

If RDZ couldn't, I don't see that Hurzeler can.

Paul Clarke was our best ever... or at least that's my memory of him.

Withdean South Stand · Sep 12, 2024

His long range screamers are all part of the charm - we need to embrace that but absolutely coach better decision making into him. But knowing he's going to blast the occasional screamer is going to give defenders something to worry about. I am eagerly awaiting the game where he's lining up an absolute howitzer and then it's a fake and he slides one through to Evan to win us a game.

Han Solo · Sep 12, 2024

No one is saying he should stop shooting, he just needs to know when to do it and when not to.

As for if "he's the best long range shooter", who knows? None of our other players shoot every time there's even the slightest opportunity to do so.

hans kraay fan club · Sep 12, 2024

Justice said:
To your last point he is probably the best long range shooter in the squad, in recent games just maybe when we aren’t winning he has been instructed to shoot if space opens up. If FH took that away from his locker that would be daft.
This thread is going the same way as this seasons Adingra thread, sell him not good enough … oh hang on a minute maybe he is the talent sensible posters knew was.

Nobody has suggested he isn't a great talent.
Nobody has suggested that he should never be encouraged to shoot.
Nobody has suggested we sell him.
Nobody has suggested he's 'not good enough'.

He's tremendous fun to watch. Almost all Albion fans love him. Some (including his team-mates, I'm sure) just look forward to him improving his decision making, to the point that he limits his shooting to the instances where it actually IS the the most dangerous available option.

Mr deez · Sep 12, 2024

dwayne said:
Attitude is not quite right for enciso as well. Spends more time playing for various iterations of his international team than for us and we pay his bloody wages. He needs to knuckle down.

That's based on having a real desire to play at the Olympics right?. That out of season competition that happens every 4 years and is the biggest sporting event on the planet?

Can't see that's an indicator of a bad attitude personally.

Guinness Boy · Sep 12, 2024

Decision making is going to be an issue for quite a lot of our team. Off the top of my head Enciso struggles with it but so do Minteh, Baleba and, from some of the videos from Leeds, Rutter. Bounanotte did too.

And they are, respectively, 20, 20, 20, 22 and 19 years old.

It's almost like the trade off for not signing 27 year olds is some inexperience when it comes to decision making.

Nobby Cybergoat · Sep 12, 2024

Guinness Boy said:
It's almost like the trade off for not signing 27 year olds is some inexperience when it comes to decision making.

But you do then get the upside which is they look like they can be arsed

Johnny RoastBeef · Sep 12, 2024

Guinness Boy said:
Decision making is going to be an issue for quite a lot of our team. Off the top of my head Enciso struggles with it but so do Minteh, Baleba and, from some of the videos from Leeds, Rutter. Bounanotte did too.

And they are, respectively, 20, 20, 20, 22 and 19 years old.

It's almost like the trade off for not signing 27 year olds is some inexperience when it comes to decision making.

Don't forget Barco, this was a particularly bad decision.

Guinness Boy · Sep 12, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
But you do then get the upside which is they look like they can be arsed

And they're quick. and fearless and can be sold on for megabucks....

But now and again they might give the ball away or shoot recklessly.

de la zouch · Sep 12, 2024

dazzer6666 said:
I won’t forget the one at Chelsea either, as the bloke behind me screamed ‘don’t shoot’ just as he was about to pull the trigger

I won’t forget it for a different reason, me and my son were in the Chelsea end and we had managed to keep our identity secret to that point. We both leapt to our feet, hugged and then swiftly moved to polite clapping.

pigmanovich · Sep 12, 2024

Johnny RoastBeef said:
Don't forget Barco, this was a particularly bad decision.

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To be fair to Barco he did revert to his usual hairstyle fairly quickly.

Johnny RoastBeef · Sep 12, 2024

pigmanovich said:
To be fair to Barco he did revert to his usual hairstyle fairly quickly.

Let's hope Milner's experience is rubbing off.

James Milner: 20 years, ‘50 different positions’, one haircut and one attitude

This week marks the 20th anniversary of Milner’s debut as a 16-year-old back in 2002. Few play for two decades; still fewer manage two decades at the top, writes Richard Jolly

www.independent.co.uk

Beanstalk · Sep 12, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
Could we go further? Our best long range shooter ever? I know it's a reasonably small sample, but the ones he misses generally look pretty convincing. I'm not sure we've been overly blessed as a club with players who can properly ping one

If RDZ couldn't, I don't see that Hurzeler can.

There's only one ex-BHAFC manager who actively discouraged players from shooting from distance and it wasn't RDZ and certainly won't be FH.

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