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rippleman

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2011
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Similarly the Pedro "must be a yellow" doesn't seem to qualify , as kicking the ball away needs to be after the ref has stopped play

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Not particularly well worded as the comma implies that only provoking a confrontation needs to be after the ref has stopped.
But if purely for kicking the ball awy is a bookable offence, it would be under it's own bullet point (I think)

Any refs care toclarify the potential ambiguity?
Ah, ok. it's in the detailed weeds of the laws. So here we are with MUST. No discretion. Remember refs can be sanctioned if they don't apply the laws. They are fulltime professionals and a sanction can result in a loss of earnings potentially. I thought the ref did extremely well to spot the kicking the ball away.
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,142
On NSC for over two decades...
I love the desperate way they're trying to draw parallels with the Pedro incident.

Brighton fans: "yeah he should have been booked too what's your point?"

"But..... but... but..... CoNsIsTeNcY WAAAAAAAAA"
So they agree that Rice did commit a yellow card offence then?
 


Uh_huh_him

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2011
11,621
So they agree that Rice did commit a yellow card offence then?

All of the debates are trying to find a way for not giving Rice a yellow.
They are all tying themselves in contradictory knots with examples of decisions they think indicate the yellow card should not have been awarded.

I had a long twitter spat with a gooner providing all of the lame excuses: Consistency/Pedro/Moving ball/ FK taken when V nudges it forward/Red card for velts etc, etc.

Eventually I just said ok, not going to argue the minor details anymore.

Pedro - Yellow
Veltman - Yellow
Rice - Yellow

Rice sent off - 1-1

Thanks for the point.
 






Professor Plum

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Jul 27, 2024
313
The rolling ball argument doesn't apply as Veltman didn't kick it while it was moving because Rice had flicked it away and stopped him doing so. Rice isn't unfortunate. He got a yellow card for delaying the restart. He admitted it afterwards and he knew the rules. Dermot Gallagher explained everything you have posted about very clearly on Sky RefWatch. Watch the clip and all becomes clear.
It’s not clear at all, as proved by the sheer weight of bullshit argument it’s created both pro and anti Rice, pro and anti Veltman, pro and anti Pedro, pro and anti referee, pro and anti media commentators….

It’s ok to have a strong, uncompromising view. But as I said elsewhere on this forum (possibly even on this thread, I’ve lost track), if you’re going to support the strict-letter-of-the-law principle then you’d better apply that noble position from now on, including Albion players delaying a free kick in similar circumstances, not to mention throw-ins taken from exactly the right place, no time wasting, no feigning injury, no looking for free kicks and penalties… and so on.

This is what pisses me off - the hypocrisy of people getting on their high horse. FWIW I think either both players get yellow carded or (better) neither does, but they get a firm warning from the referee.
 
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Blues Guitarist

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Oct 19, 2020
545
St Johann in Tirol
It’s not clear at all, as proved by the sheer weight of bullshit argument it’s created both pro and anti Rice, pro and anti Veltman, pro and anti Pedro, pro and anti referee, pro and anti media commentators….

It’s ok to have a strong, uncompromising view. But as I said elsewhere on this forum (possibly even on this thread, I’ve lost track), if you’re going to support the strict-letter-of-the-law principle then you’d better apply that noble position from now on, including Albion players delaying a free kick in similar circumstances, not to mention throw-ins taken from exactly the right place, no time wasting, no feigning injury, no looking for free kicks and penalties… and so on.

This is what pisses me off - the hypocrisy of people getting on their high horse. FWIW I think either both players get yellow carded or (better) neither does, but they get a firm warning from the referee.
Rice committed an offence, Veltman just wanted to play football. Last I checked that wasn't against the rules/laws.
 


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