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[Albion] Napoli interested in Billy Gilmour **Sold 30/08/24**
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of players we’ve let go because good offers came, that we would rather have held onto.
They’ve consistently said they want to keep him, and I doubt they would keep saying it if he was going to be sat on a bench all season either. He obviously wants to go though, so we aren’t going to make him stay because this is a big chance for him to make a step up.
Not that old - only just over a year ago, and it might have had long lasting effects. Bearing in mind the judge said that what she did to Billy was what made it a custodial offence.
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Why aren't there a host of clubs trying to complete a deal at that price?
seagullsovergrimsby
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A lowish transfer fee means that Chelsea get a smaller payoff too.
Its not, no.
Most of the clubs in the Premier League are struggling to buy players because they made massive losses on player deals in the past. Several Premier League clubs are in danger of point deductions due to their poor ability to determining the value of their players.
If you look at the transfer history of any club, a majority of them don't turn into what the clubs wanted or hoped, because clubs generally aren't good at it.
If any (non-billionaire) individual, state or corporation behaves and operates like a Premier League club - getting the same ultra poor return from heavy investments - , they're doomed.
Billy might be going for one reason or another, but it won't be due to Premier League clubs great understanding of transfer values...
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I'd argue that when the "good offer came", that is the point where we no longer want to keep the player. At that point, the financial package offered is sufficient for the club to move its position from "want to keep" to "happy to sell".
In terms of the club's public comments - I can't think of a single player where the club have done any differently. The club will play a straight bat that is respectful to the player, ie "He's our player, we want to keep him, he's in our plans" etc. It's just the polite and decent way we go about things.
lizard
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I have no idea. Little media interest in a Scottish midfielder that plays for little old Brighton? Not every offer is reported/guessed upon on Twitter though.
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Quite. I can imagine the opportunity to go abroad is quite appealing after all that.
Da Man Clay
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There was very little comment on here when Gyokeres went. He didn’t look a thing like he’d make it big when he was playing for us - and he’d just come from two loans in the championship where he’d scored 3 goals in 30 games when we let him go.
Why did he start in the Premier League if the club doesn't want to keep him?
As for why Premier League teams aren't fighting for him, maybe he's not interested? Why would he be going to Southampton or Ipswich when he could play in front of 60k crazy people on Stadio Diego Armando Maradona and fighting in the top of Serie A with Napoli? Do you think Victor Osimhen will be going to Brentford?
Napoli is an infinitely bigger, more glamorous and more successful club than Brighton (so far, but lets see in a 100 years), which is the most likely reason he'd want to leave. Why would he even contemplate about moving to Croydon or Wolverhampton?
Polite and decent you say? Respectful to the player? But that's not how the fellas over at Cobham do things:
"The only thing I can say is the ones who are going to get minutes are the ones who I think can help us. It’s not just Raheem. It’s all the players who are training apart. The moment the transfer window closes, they are not going to get minutes."
You stay classy, Chelsea.
I disagree, sometimes it’s a case of making a transfer the least worst outcome.
I am quite sure we’d have happily kept many of the players we’ve sold over the years, Mac Allister, Cucurella, Caicedo etc but when you know they want to move on and it’s an upward move for their careers, we aren’t going to hold them back because we don’t want a player who doesn’t want to be here, also blocking moves causes a bad impression for the young players we target because they come here to develop and then move on to bigger clubs.
So when the above is true, the next best outcome is to let them go but get as much out of a deal as you can. In this case the money up front may not be great but the add-ons etc could be.
I think I'm broadly in agreement with @Bozza. If we wanted to keep him, we would.
At £15m (or whatever it is), the club has decided that he is free to go and either that he has earned the right to such a move (and that this fits with our ethos of allowing players to develop their careers in a way that is not harmful to our club) or that it is a price that we consider genuinely exceeds his value to us.
The reason there is no queue of English clubs at the price quoted could be that WBG has been told we wouldn't let him move to a direct competitor at a knockdown price, but a move away from English football was acceptable if he wanted guarantees of first team football.
Overall, I back the club on this. A better Liam Bridcutt is a good description except to say Gilmour doesn't score goals at this level. But I like him and wish him well if he goes.
At £15m (or whatever it is), the club has decided that he is free to go and either that he has earned the right to such a move (and that this fits with our ethos of allowing players to develop their careers in a way that is not harmful to our club) or that it is a price that we consider genuinely exceeds his value to us.
The reason there is no queue of English clubs at the price quoted could be that WBG has been told we wouldn't let him move to a direct competitor at a knockdown price, but a move away from English football was acceptable if he wanted guarantees of first team football.
Overall, I back the club on this. A better Liam Bridcutt is a good description except to say Gilmour doesn't score goals at this level. But I like him and wish him well if he goes.
Already answered by me. Because Weiffer picked up a knock.
At Everton we preferred MW and 94 year old James Milner.
Napoli are a massive club and Italy is better than England. Easy decision for a young man I reckon.
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He started because of the reduced options available due to injury / not arrived at the club yet.
According to you - who can value players more accurately than the combined might of the Premier League's 20 recruitment teams - he's a £50m+ player. When he's going for less than a third of that. there would be suitors from the Premier League.
He may choose Napoli over them, for the reasons you allude to, but there hasn't been a single whisper that any PL clubs would like to take him.
And, to be clear, I'm not for one second suggesting there's anything wrong with BG to deter other clubs, but it strikes me as totally bizarre there have been no links at all.
I think I said it before but Gilmour seems to be the only player who can get the offer of a great move to a big club, one that plays Champion's League regularly and very recently won Serie A, yet people find ways to turn it into some kind of negative reflection on him and his football ability.
We didn’t want him anymore anyway and everyone we’ve bought in is better than him - man we sound like a bunch of bitter, spurned lovers who can’t stand their ex’s new boyfriend.
We didn’t want him anymore anyway and everyone we’ve bought in is better than him - man we sound like a bunch of bitter, spurned lovers who can’t stand their ex’s new boyfriend.
Or maybe Wieffer played in the first game because Billy didn't play anything in preseason?
Billy Gilmour started in our team less than a week ago. The manager picked Billy Gilmour in his team to beat Manchester United.
The manager decided that Billy was one of the best eleven available players. That is what happened.
The whole "the manager thinks Billy is too short/doesn't score enough goals from his defensive midfield position/is only worth peanuts" thing is a made up narrative, because in real life - in reality, in which your emotions mean nothing and Hurzelers opinions everything, Billy Gilmour started a game against Manchester United six days ago.