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[Albion] Napoli interested in Billy Gilmour **Sold 30/08/24**











ChickenBaltiPie

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Jan 3, 2014
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…..whatever concerns any of us may have/have had re this new manager, or any new manager, if you haven’t decided to give the guy a go, give him your support and get behind the club/TB/PB’s decision and back your team by now, at what point do you? Once he’s a sure thing, and entirely proven he’s unbeatable? Come on now! You should have a LOT more faith and trust in this club. They’ve more than earned it in recent years. Show your support!

Get on board! Have some hope and optimism. What have you really got to lose? Is being ‘right’ and seeing our impending doom coming, and predicting our downfall really that much more satisfying than the expectation and anticipation of something more exciting? (It’s not, I promise you! If being ‘right’ meant I was the only one that confidently thought FH was definitely gonna fail, I’d much rather be wrong, thanks!!)
 
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Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,088
He can't go without O'Reilly or someone else coming in please.
O'Riley and Gilmour are two completely different types of midfielder.

Gilmour leaving simply means we have one less defensive midfielder option sitting in front of the defence. Matt Riley is never going to do that job. If you look at their heat maps there is barely any overlap in the spaces they operate in.

What is more relevant is whether Hurzeler thinks that Yasin Ayari or Malick Yalcouye can replace his position in the squad and be as effective.
 


brighton_tom

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Jul 23, 2008
5,380
O'Riley and Gilmour are two completely different types of midfielder.

Gilmour leaving simply means we have one less defensive midfielder option sitting in front of the defence. Matt Riley is never going to do that job. If you look at their heat maps there is barely any overlap in the spaces they operate in.

What is more relevant is whether Hurzeler thinks that Yasin Ayari or Malick Yalcouye can replace his position in the squad and be as effective.
This is my query. I dont really see any of the rumoured incomings as a direct replacement for Gilmour in terms of the type of midfielder. Maybe Hurzeler see's less use for Gilmour in his desired formation/tactics, but if you're looking for an ideal candidate to play a deeper role alongside Wieffer then that is not O'riley, Gruda, or Rutter. They're all much more attacking. In terms of deeper centre mids we'd be left with Baleba, Milner, or possible Ayari or Hinshelwood to partner Wieffer, and i'd put Gilmour ahead of them in ability.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,747
Surrey
O'Riley and Gilmour are two completely different types of midfielder.

Gilmour leaving simply means we have one less defensive midfielder option sitting in front of the defence. Matt Riley is never going to do that job. If you look at their heat maps there is barely any overlap in the spaces they operate in.

What is more relevant is whether Hurzeler thinks that Yasin Ayari or Malick Yalcouye can replace his position in the squad and be as effective.
My guess is that he rates Ayari, based on the fact he came on at Everton.
 




Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
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Spank the Manc
My guess is that he rates Ayari, based on the fact he came on at Everton.
Yes Ayari got minutes v Everton, but once Rutter, O'Riley, Gruda and Enciso are all up to speed, will he still?

I'm not convinced, unfortunately. Although he has looked very promising, the biggest spend in reinforcements is in the area he currently occupies.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,747
Surrey
Yes Ayari got minutes v Everton, but once Rutter, O'Riley, Gruda and Enciso are all up to speed, will he still?

I'm not convinced, unfortunately. Although he has looked very promising, the biggest spend in reinforcements is in the area he currently occupies.
They are all midfielders but I'm not sure 3 of those 4 are defensive midfielders. (I don't know about Gruda)
 


Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
13,295
Central Borneo / the Lizard
I don’t go in for blind faith, even TB is capable of getting things wrong. If you don’t think he is then more fool you.

I am not questioning if this is a dodgy appointment just a little surprised that we have gone all in financially on a rookie manager in the PL.

Question everything is a sensible attitude…imo

Unnecessarily sarcastic response from you though.
Five of the six managers Bloom has appointed were unproven in England at the level they were appointed. One failed, and that led to the 'safe' appointment of Hughton to keep us up. Fab could fail, and that may lead to a similar 'safe' appointment, although I think it would be really hard to properly 'fail' with the players at his disposal. Hyypia was dealt a bum hand with the recruitment that year.

In many ways the recruitment splurge is insurance against the rookie manager being rubbish, even if he is bad the players are good enough to keep us up, and then we go again. Imagine if he was bad AND the team wasn't that good. That would be a disaster.
 




Flounce

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Nov 15, 2006
3,453
Five of the six managers Bloom has appointed were unproven in England at the level they were appointed. One failed, and that led to the 'safe' appointment of Hughton to keep us up. Fab could fail, and that may lead to a similar 'safe' appointment, although I think it would be really hard to properly 'fail' with the players at his disposal. Hyypia was dealt a bum hand with the recruitment that year.

In many ways the recruitment splurge is insurance against the rookie manager being rubbish, even if he is bad the players are good enough to keep us up, and then we go again. Imagine if he was bad AND the team wasn't that good. That would be a disaster.
True, Hyypia style disaster.

I don’t see him failing but it IS very early days. I am all in and excited for this season.
 














Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
52,104
Goldstone
That's one take. Here's another:

With his current quality and development trajectory, he should reach the level Mac Allister had when he really started to show he was a world class midfielder. He is already a high quality player in the Premier League. When he was missing for a seven game spell in February and March, we played Championship level football every week.

His passing, positioning and reading of the game is elite tier stuff and his duelling has improved a lot. He is a key player for us and one of the most promising defensive playmakers in the world. There is no chance we are letting him go for any less than £50m.

???
 






Littlemo

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Aug 25, 2022
1,509
That’s very odd messaging, it’s pretty clear he’s away to Napoli now. I get that he isn’t going to confirm news but I’d have an expected more along the lines of deferring to Barbar or that his future is still in discussion with the club.

I don’t really believe he thinks Gilmour will be here at the end of the window, I’d be surprised if anyone believed him.
 


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