[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

The Clamp · Aug 13, 2024

I’m not putting this on police on the ground at all, they have a tremendously hard job with few resources. But this made me laugh and shows the state of affairs.

We had officers come to a MH job on the beach. Suicidal person. Thankfully officers had the time to attend.

My team and the officers got the patient away from the sea and walked her back up to town.

I began walking towards a parked police car with the patient , assuming it was our officers’ vehicle.

I asked the officer to open the car..

PC “That’s not our car”

Me “Oh, where are going then”?

PC “I dunno, I was following you”

I didn’t have anywhere to put her. We got a good outcome for the patient in the end.

It was pretty funny but does show we are all largely winging it under the new systems and is having a serious impact on our ability to help people.

BrightonCottager · Aug 13, 2024

Fascinating Radio 4 programme on at the moment drawing out the similarities between persecution of the Jews in the late 12th century with the recent rioting.

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 13, 2024

dsr-burnley said:
Actually I was hoping clapham-gull would post his or her stats about Twitter users' racist hate from the shires, not from London. I don't think your article addresses that.

For that matter, your article doesn't address racial hatred either. To Zoe Williams, it is apparent that callikng someone a "stone cold loser" is a racial insult - though I can't see why. To Zoe Williams, it is apparant that describing pro-Palestinian marches as "hate marches" is a racial insult directed at Khan, but again, I can't see why. Again, Zoe Williams thinks that wrongly quoting crime statistics is a racial insult directed at Khan, which surely surprises some of the people above who didn't realise their beliefs about London crime statistics were allegedly motivated by racism.

All she has got is Lee Anderson's comments about Khan and Islamism. (Not Islam, but Islamism.) That's not enough to be a large scale racial hatred campaign.

You think the loony right pick on Khan because he is a Starmer supporting labour man?

The 'stone cold loser' jibe (which Trump said just before Khan went on to win - again) is hardly the only example of the president of America's absurd feud with an UK mayor.

Can you imagine the UK prime minister (anyone from Johnson to Starmer) publicly insulting the mayor of New York? Why? To signal what?

Here is one of many examples of the dog whistles, this time Trump retweeting that paragon of moderation, Katie Hopkins:

Donald Trump attacks Sadiq Khan over London violence

The US president's comments come after three men die in five attacks within 24 hours in London.

www.bbc.co.uk

Having 'hinted' that Khan was responsible for the emergence of Islamist terrorism in London because he is a Muslim, he then spent years re-dog whistling it. Not racist? Come off it!

dsr-burnley · Aug 13, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You think the loony right pick on Khan because he is a Starmer supporting labour man?

The 'stone cold loser' jibe (which Trump said just before Khan went on to win - again) is hardly the only example of the president of America's absurd feud with an UK mayor.

Can you imagine the UK prime minister (anyone from Johnson to Starmer) publicly insulting the mayor of New York? Why? To signal what?

Here is one of many examples of the dog whistles, this time Trump retweeting that paragon of moderation, Katie Hopkins:

Donald Trump attacks Sadiq Khan over London violence

The US president's comments come after three men die in five attacks within 24 hours in London.

www.bbc.co.uk

Having 'hinted' that Khan was responsible for the emergence of Islamist terrorism in London because he is a Muslim, he then spent years re-dog whistling it. Not racist? Come off it!

I don't dispute that Trump can't stand Khan and is behaving absurdly. But even when looking for the racism that is supposed to be there, I don't see it.

sydney · Aug 13, 2024

Justice said:
It’s easy when you live in a leafy Sussex village to finger point, I’ve noticed if a few travellers turn up in the local park though all hell breaks loose and the village is up in arms Two tier thinking when it comes to the uninvited.

absolutely mate ....balloons.

sydney · Aug 13, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Maybe it’s time to start exporting all our criminals to Australia again pour encouragers les autres

well , if you can read , it's all in the home counties old chap........being on the pro Israel side you should possibly moderate attempts at humour on the subject. YNWYA and all that.

sydney · Aug 13, 2024

Baldseagull said:
If you scroll down and click on the tab labelled "London Violence", you mean?
And it isn't all today's news.
Murder rate in UK v Aus is higher, but it seems aussie blokes kill their wives and kids much more than we do.

when i clicked on the link they were the three top stories ........i think you will find that spousal abuse is off the scale amongst the indigenous , but then again i have been hammered for putting that forward , if only the brains trust of NSC could get into parliament , you obviously have an answer to everything ...

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 13, 2024

dsr-burnley said:
I don't dispute that Trump can't stand Khan and is behaving absurdly. But even when looking for the racism that is supposed to be there, I don't see it.

Look harder.

I don't accept the argument that unless someone explains their motive then they cannot be accused of having one.

And when people say 'I'm not racist, but....' it does not absolve them from racism.

Trump and Farage are generally careful to not make explicitly racist statements. But people support them because they expect they will do racist things on their behalf if elected.

Anyway, I have been toying with the idea that the recent rioters need to be met half way, and that it is not their fault, so maybe targeting minorities needs to be accepted as a legitimate expression of Real Concerns.

I haven't made up my mind about this yet. Maybe some more eloquent explanations of why Farage is right about how to deal with 'illegal asylum seekers' and how a smile can be put back on the faces of the white dispossessed by responding to their concerns will tip the balance.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 13, 2024

sydney said:
when i clicked on the link they were the three top stories ........i think you will find that spousal abuse is off the scale amongst the indigenous , but then again i have been hammered for putting that forward , if only the brains trust of NSC could get into parliament , you obviously have an answer to everything ...

Have you? It is a fact. Only a fool would argue with a fact.

Zeberdi · Aug 13, 2024

sydney said:
well , if you can read , it's all in the home counties old chap........being on the pro Israel side you should possibly moderate attempts at humour on the subject. YNWYA and all that.

Oh do actually FCUK off

I spent 6 months on NSC posting all the humanitarian reasons why I am most definitely NOT “pro-Israel’ (if you meant by that I support the netanyahu government’s actions in Gaza)

Otherwise I‘ll just take it you are attacking me because I’m Jewish.

So then - What an utterly wanky thing to say that I have no right to post an opinion about crime in the UK because I’m Jewish.

My post was an ironic reference to Britains export of thousands of criminals to Australia in the 1800s you moron

Ps I’ll ask you not to drag “that” ME topic into an unrelated thread too just to troll me - I and several mods are sick of people using the issue across the board to troll people and for political pointscoring

Guinness Boy · Aug 13, 2024

dsr-burnley said:
I don't dispute that Trump can't stand Khan and is behaving absurdly. But even when looking for the racism that is supposed to be there, I don't see it.

Ok, let's start with 'he probably wouldn't act that way if Khan was a white "Christian"'. I've not noticed Trump trolling Andy Burnham.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 13, 2024

sydney said:
well , if you can read , it's all in the home counties old chap........being on the pro Israel side you should possibly moderate attempts at humour on the subject. YNWYA and all that.

@Zeberdi has scrupulously avoided taking sides. That comment is crass.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 13, 2024

Guinness Boy said:
Ok, let's start with 'he probably wouldn't act that way if Khan was a white "Christian"'. I've not noticed Trump trolling Andy Burnham.

Thanks for adding the evidence. I have largely gone beyond the point when I can be arsed to provide the evidence to show that when people start talking bollocks they are talking bollocks.

Facts are not opinions. And although everyone is entitled to an opinion they are not entitled to peddle it as fact. If they try, it immediately entitles others to invoke motive (i.e., play the man). Them's the rules, as dictated by reason and logic.

Zeberdi · Aug 13, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
@Zeberdi has scrupulously avoided taking sides. That comment is crass.

Well only coming down heavily on the side of innocent victims on both sides

Guinness Boy said:
Ok, let's start with 'he probably wouldn't act that way if Khan was a white "Christian"'. I've not noticed Trump trolling Andy Burnham.

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Facts are not opinions. And although everyone is entitled to an opinion they are not entitled tp peddle them as facts. If they try, it immediately entitles others to invoke motive (i.e., play the man). Them's the rules, as dictated by reason and logic.

Quite.

Thunder Bolt · Aug 13, 2024

dsr-burnley said:
I don't dispute that Trump can't stand Khan and is behaving absurdly. But even when looking for the racism that is supposed to be there, I don't see it.

Maybe you only see what you want to see?

hans kraay fan club · Aug 13, 2024

Bakero said:
What do you see specifically as out if control? Gun crime/stabbings/murder/violence in general? Just London or England/UK as a whole?

Guinness Boy said:
No it isn't.

The homicide rate in London has remained almost static in the last nine years with 2017/18 (reporting periods cross years) being easily the highest.

Unfortunately you get this 'Londonistan no go area' nonsense from people who live nowhere near London on a regular basis and it's complete horseshit. People go to London all the time, for work, plays, food, seeing friends and relatives and tourism.

Unfortunately, the right leaning press will continue to gaslight the gullible, with misleading or cherry-picked statistics, and with deliberately confusing presentation of genuine statistics.

Look at this absolute shambles of a graph from today's Mail - actually showing a flat line in the murder rate, but presented to look like a huge year on year increase:

Guinness Boy · Aug 13, 2024

hans kraay fan club said:
Unfortunately, the right leaning press will continue to gaslight the gullible, with misleading or cherry-picked statistics, and with deliberately confusing presentation of genuine statistics.

Look at this absolute shambles of a graph from today's Mail - actually showing a flat line in the murder rate, but presented to look like a huge year on year increase:

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The one thing that the Mail / Express / Sun and Torygraph, along with GBeebies have in common is that they want their readers or viewers to be absolutely terrified. Pretty much all their income from people desperate to be scared into submission. It's truly astonishing.

BLOCK F · Aug 13, 2024

WATFORD zero said:
I think you and my son must be the luckiest two people in London. He's been there nearly 9 years now ever been threatened with a knife or gun and neither have me or Mrs Wz on our regular visits.

I'm guessing you're similar. What are the chances of that

It doesn’t prove anything, but my son has lived in London for 5 or 6 years and was robbed/ mugged by 2 wa——s about 3 years ago, no knives involved , but nasty threats of violence if he didn’t hand over his phone, rucksack and wallet etc.
Not nice and pretty scary, so not everyone is ‘lucky’ in good old London Town.
,

rippleman · Aug 13, 2024

hans kraay fan club said:
Unfortunately, the right leaning press will continue to gaslight the gullible, with misleading or cherry-picked statistics, and with deliberately confusing presentation of genuine statistics.

Look at this absolute shambles of a graph from today's Mail - actually showing a flat line in the murder rate, but presented to look like a huge year on year increase:

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So in 2016 the red "murder line" falls below "0". So in 2016 London had minus murders?

Are Mail readers so thick as to fall for this crap? Clearly they are.

Bakero · Aug 13, 2024

hans kraay fan club said:
Unfortunately, the right leaning press will continue to gaslight the gullible, with misleading or cherry-picked statistics, and with deliberately confusing presentation of genuine statistics.

Look at this absolute shambles of a graph from today's Mail - actually showing a flat line in the murder rate, but presented to look like a huge year on year increase:

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That's truly shocking. Twats.

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