portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Prat.
What's he banging on about Palestine for too?
Yes, that struck me as odd too. Might as well have added āArcher Outā for all the relevance it added.
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[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places
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Yes, that struck me as odd too. Might as well have added āArcher Outā for all the relevance it added.
aolstudios
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Well, exactly
Peacehaven Wild Kids
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Was he smiling because he had just got his shopping cheaper at Tesco?
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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What a snowflake
Machiavelli
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Yes, you're right. But I was trying to draw a distinction between what he said and the violent actions perpetrated by the other lot over the past week or so. Because they are not equivalent.
- Jan 18, 2009
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I think you know whatās happening, and why the āfar rightā for the riots moniker is convenient, politicians like to simplify matters to a single digestible message, however life is much more complex. The consequences of migration as the U.K. has experienced in last 10 years or so is no different. I think people like Jonathan Hayes, a Southport businessman stabbed by the Welsh fella has a view that most of the country understand in response to Southport. He is, in my view, the man on the Clapham omnibus.
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Re housing, if we have a housing crisis where rents are high and properties expensive, to suggest the immigration (when running at in excess of 500k pa) isnāt a factor is also ridiculous. Equally, if taxation is running at record levels yet the state picks up the tab for hundreds of thousands people who have put nothing in the pot to stay in hotels, POLITICALLY, regardless of who is in power that is a problem. In this context I fully agree itās been caused by the Tories. But then, thatās why they were thrown out in Julyā¦ā¦ā¦..over to Labour to sort it out.
Can someone explain this to me? How are immigrants affording expensive rents ? And wasnāt the argument high levels of immigrants drove down house prices ?
Is average Joe in Hartlepool or Sunderland really being out priced in the housing market by immigration ?
Maybe because they are paid by housing benefit
- Jan 18, 2009
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As Iām sure you know, the origins of what is left and right wing derives from the Citizens āParliamentā following the French Revolution, the radicals (Jacobins) sat on the left, the conservatives (merchant/bourgeois class) on the right.
The modern usage of left and right wing as a mechanism of determining political intent and motive is clumsy at best and misleading at worst, most people have political views that can be conservative (small or no change) and also radical (profound change).
Accordingly, in the original context of what is left or right wing, (and by way of example) Brexit would be left wing, and in the context of people expressing views to restrict immigration, you could argue in current terms an immediate cessation of immigration would be a radical step towards immigration policy and therefore also left wing.
Itās much better to determine intent through political ideology, international Marxism, as an ideology would support open borders for example, and that is essentially what we had with the Tories (despite their rhetoric) and I suspect the Labour Party will follow suit on more transparent ideological plane.
International Marxism sounds more scary than left wing thoughā¦ā¦ā¦.so we will no doubt stay with the simplistic stuff.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Who are paid housing benefits?
I doubt if Clarkson knows what a hammer or a nail is.
No, yet again Clarkson has used a hammer to try and stir up disunity. Maybe he could try to explore why people feel disenfranchised, but thatās too tall a task and not what his paymasters pay him for.
Thatās not paying housing benefits.
Presumably, if we use your dubious 225 year-old definition, any radical, regressive action could be classed as left wing
Send kids back down the mines? Pretty radical so must be left wing.
Tear down all NHS hospitals? Sounds leftist to me.
BadFish
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So landlords are paid money for housing asylum seekers? Is that what that link refers to?
The largest turnout of people taking to the streets was to stand against the racists.
- Jan 18, 2009
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We will not find common ground so best leave it here, suffice to say time will tell what motivated this man (now heās 18) and the Gillingham stabbed, however I donāt think Christianity will be in the mix. Iām pretty sure you donāt need to be in a prescribed group to be a terrorist either, especially in the days of online radicalisation, you seem to know more than me.
Huwās case is only relevant here as another example of political/institutional deceit. Individually of course Huw is reprehensible, however he was indulged and allowed to hide behind mental illness, that āplayā is now dead. Only the soft minded will think otherwise, I suspect the mental illness play has been dead for a while, not least following the deaths in Nottingham.
Rwanda didnāt happen for different reasons, but neither did deportations more generally even if they were criminals. Ironically Labour were last in power deportations were running at circa 50k PA, but then in those days they were āillegalsā and not āirregularsā. Then again back in those days people speaking out against what was happening were dreadful bigots, and not the far right.
Or maybe that was just for life long Labour Party members.
That's why they typically favour the St George's Cross
Serco also has a huge contract to run hotel accommodation. The last government gave them a 10 year contract back in 2019, which is costing billions. In my experience (when I volunteered with Care4Calais), Serco staff these hotels with inexperienced young people on close to the minimum wage. They then make huge profits (at the taxpayerās expense), whilst providing crap living conditions for asylum seekers.
Itās a system that needs to be unwound ASAP. Thankfully the new government understands the issues and is assessing asylum claims more efficiently than the last.
Itās a system that needs to be unwound ASAP. Thankfully the new government understands the issues and is assessing asylum claims more efficiently than the last.