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Zeberdi

Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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This is very significant news indeed.

The top political leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, who led the Government in Gaza until 2019 has been assassinated by Israel operatives - not in Gaza but at his home in Iran.

Haniyeh was the leading negotiator on behalf of the Palestinians for a ceasefire and has been engaged in diplomatic talks through 3rd parties with Netanyahu’s government since October 2023.

Any chance of a ceasefire or deescalation is suddenly very much jeopardised with his assassination and rather than bring the end of the war closer it could escalate it further - he will be seen as a martyr by Islamic fundamentalist throughout the ME and almost certainly his assassination in Iran will further radicalise hitherto political moderates and infuriate Iran that this should happen on Iranian soil.

It remains to be seen whether Netanyahu will see this as an exit ramp to withdraw but it will certainly put him under pressure from Israeli public opinion to end the war since destroying the leadership of Hamas was one of his main objectives which have now arguably been achieved. It also puts Netanyahu again under the spotlight for the questionably achievable objectives of the campaign in Gaza to ‘destroy Hamas as a group’ when the political leadership of Hamas and its fundraising base are not even in Gaza.


 
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armchairclubber

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Aug 8, 2010
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This morning Hamas said its political leader had been killed in “a treacherous Zionist raid".

Israel's military and senior figures within its government are yet to respond to the allegation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Iran vows to avenge killing of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh

Ismail Haniyeh, a key figure in ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel, was killed in an overnight air strike in Tehran.
www.bbc.co.uk


Russia and Turkey denounce Hamas leader's death

www.bbc.co.uk

Iran vows to avenge killing of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh

Ismail Haniyeh, a key figure in ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel, was killed in an overnight air strike in Tehran.
www.bbc.co.uk
 


aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
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armchairclubber said:
This morning Hamas said its political leader had been killed in “a treacherous Zionist raid".

Israel's military and senior figures within its government are yet to respond to the allegation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Iran vows to avenge killing of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh

Ismail Haniyeh, a key figure in ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel, was killed in an overnight air strike in Tehran.
www.bbc.co.uk


Russia and Turkey denounce Hamas leader's death

www.bbc.co.uk

Iran vows to avenge killing of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh

Ismail Haniyeh, a key figure in ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel, was killed in an overnight air strike in Tehran.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Wow.
Denounced by Russia & Turkey.
Game changer
 




armchairclubber

armchairclubber

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fly high

fly high

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armchairclubber said:




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“How can mediation succeed when one party assassinates negotiator?” says Qatar PM - Quds News Network

Doha (Quds News Network)- The prime minister of Qatar, which has acted as a mediator in ceasefire negotiations between Israel and Hamas, has questioned the chances for negotiations to succeed following the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Iran on Wednesday. “Political...
qudsnen.co qudsnen.co
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Question, did Israeli hawks have him murdered to ensure no peace deal or did Hamas hawks do it for the same reason. Not sure what the evidence is, what is the intel saying? Guess if it was a guided missile most likely Israel.
 












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borat

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aolstudios said:
Jvp are (in 1984 style) neither Jewish, nor a voice for peace.
But you know that
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Wrong. Founded by Jews, Jewish chair and board. They just don't believe in Israeli Apartheid and genocide.

The news they reported is true regardless your opinion on the group. Israel is murdering journalists in large numbers and you try to refute it with a incorrect (lie) to distract from their barbarity.
 








Baldseagull

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aolstudios said:
The 'moderate' 'mediator'...
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Who called him "moderate"? Obviously he wasnt a mediator either, a mediator is someone other than the parties involved.
He was however negotiating for an end to the fighting, and has now been removed, and whilst I appreciate you may shed no tears for him, do you think it's a good thing for ending hostilities? If so, how?
 


aolstudios

aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
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Baldseagull said:
Who called him "moderate"? Obviously he wasnt a mediator either, a mediator is someone other than the parties involved.
He was however negotiating for an end to the fighting, and has now been removed, and whilst I appreciate you may shed no tears for him, do you think it's a good thing for ending hostilities? If so, how?
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This ends the second Hamas return the hostages & surrender. They've stated they will create more Oct 7ths forever multiple times, will never accept any Jewish state & reject every serious ceasefire offer. Every (billionaire) leader taken out hastens that end. This will only end the way war with Hitler did.
 


Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
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aolstudios said:
This ends the second Hamas return the hostages & surrender. They've stated they will create more Oct 7ths forever multiple times, will never accept any Jewish state & reject every serious ceasefire offer. Every (billionaire) leader taken out hastens that end. This will only end the way war with Hitler did.
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If thats true, you must think Israeli negotiators were being dishonest in negotiation, by simply entering negotiations with someone they never had any intention of compromising with.

For the war to end the way the war with Hitler did, multiple nations would need to come together to push back an army intent on expanding its nations borders, occupying lands taken by force, and commiting genocide. For a peace to last, it will need the people of that nation to accept that their country was acting in a way that is unacceptable.
I don't think it will end that way, and it won't truly end in our lifetimes if neither side can talk to each other without fear.
Israel may win this war, but it won't win any peace like this.
Do you consider the thousands of Palestinians in administrative detention, that are detained indefinitely without charge, hostages?
 










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