[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Jul 30, 2024

Berty23 said:
Have you ever heard the saying “anything you say before the word but is bullshit” - this means people say something at the beginning they don’t mean so they can justify something else.

Another one with egg on their face.

Awaits apology.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Awaits apology.

Very, very clear that she did not instigate things.

Me offering an alternate possibility, before knowledge, to counter an assumption, before knowledge, makes me guilty of nothing worse than having an open mind.
To satisfy your desire for an apology, I am sorry you don't understand that.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
Me offering an alternate possibility, before knowledge, to counter an assumption, before knowledge, makes me guilty of nothing worse than having an open mind.
To satisfy your desire for an apology, I am sorry you don't understand that.

So your 'alternate possibility' made with zero knowledge was to claim the police instigated the problem.

Seems to me your mind is somewhat closed to the problems the police faced that day.

As I originally said, I still think the kick to the head was OTT,.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
So your 'alternate possibility' made with zero knowledge was to claim the police instigated the problem.

Seems to me your mind is somewhat closed to the problems the police faced that day.

As I originally said, I still think the kick to the head was OTT,.

I used the word "maybe", it is quite different to making a claim, it qualifies what followed as a possibility, not a fact. It's the opposite of a claim, it neither confirms or denies.
Maybe English is your second language, maybe you didn't read my post correctly, maybe you're a prick, I don't know, I am not claiming any of those things, just three of many possibilities of why you think I should apologise to someone.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
What did they do to deserve it?

It's very clear whose side your on.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
It's very clear whose side your on.

It's very clear that you have a problem with context.
Did you know what the guy getting kicked and stamped had done, at the time I asked the question? I didn't.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
Did you know what the guy getting kicked and stamped had done, at the time I asked the question? I didn't.

Enough said.

But you saw fit to comment on the actions of the police without knowing the facts.

As Burnham said at the time, two sides to the story.

Kinky Gerbil · Jul 30, 2024

Cotton Socks said:
Take away uniforms. If these videos were of a fight in West Street on a Saturday night, would you think that stamping on someones head when they are already on the floor reasonable?
I've always been taught, and have taught my kids, never to kick someone when they're down, metaphorically and physically. Admittedly we've never been in that kind of situation but if someone's on the floor and you're standing upright, you have the upper hand.
There was no need for it and in my eyes it's wrong, no matter what the situation and who did what before.
He had more justification for shooting him instead of tasering him & then kicking him.
It's the fact that he kicked him when he was already on the floor that's annoying most people.

I've seen this a few times, I don't see the comparison

A fight on West Street between a couple of chavs is not the same as an arrest, police are allowed to use force to arrest, which can include kicking and stamping.

pb21 · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Enough said.

But you saw fit to comment on the actions of the police without knowing the facts.

As Burnham said at the time, two sides to the story.

I don't see what the police did as OTT, it seems reasonable and understandable in the circumstances, EXCEPT for the kick and particularly the stamp to the head whilst the bloke was lying face down on the floor after being tasered. The stamp in that situation is way out of line IMO.

drew · Jul 30, 2024

Kinky Gerbil said:
I've seen this a few times, I don't see the comparison

A fight on West Street between a couple of chavs is not the same as an arrest, police are allowed to use force to arrest, which can include kicking and stamping.

They might be able to use proportionate force to effect an arrest, which may include kicking or stamping. However, in this case the stamping and kicking came when the man had just been tasered and was lying face down on the floor.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Enough said.

But you saw fit to comment on the actions of the police without knowing the facts.

As Burnham said at the time, two sides to the story.

I gave my opinion on what I had seen.

jcdenton08 · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
I gave my opinion on what I had seen.

You’ll agree some of the comments early in the thread by allegedly respected posters were absolutely horrifying and disgraceful.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2024

Kinky Gerbil said:
I've seen this a few times, I don't see the comparison

A fight on West Street between a couple of chavs is not the same as an arrest, police are allowed to use force to arrest, which can include kicking and stamping.

Proportionate force.
See Tony Martin, and many others who have gone OTT, the law applies to coppers too.

HeaviestTed · Jul 30, 2024

Mackenzie said:
I thought the stamp on the head was a bit too much.

I thought it looked accidental, he was running in and the floor will be slippy in an airport

Kinky Gerbil · Jul 30, 2024

drew said:
They might be able to use proportionate force to effect an arrest, which may include kicking or stamping. However, in this case the stamping and kicking came when the man had just been tasered and was lying face down on the floor.

Tasers apparently only stun all the time you are holding the trigger, given what had gone before the police office was taking no chances of him getting up again, given the kick was part of the arrest he shouldn't face action

I thought the original video was horrific, however in context it's not.

Telling the scum bag lawyer has given up the case for the attackers.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
I gave my opinion on what I had seen.

OK - let's leave it there.

You gave your opinion that 'maybe' the police officer instigated the trouble, and had her nose broken without knowing the full facts.

rippleman · Jul 30, 2024

Kinky Gerbil said:
Tasers apparently only stun all the time you are holding the trigger, given what had gone before the police office was taking no chances of him getting up again, given the kick was part of the arrest he shouldn't face action

I thought the original video was horrific, however in context it's not.

Telling the scum bag lawyer has given up the case for the attackers.

So you would be happy for everybody who has resisted arrest but has then been subdued, restrained and presents no threat or danger to the officers or the public to get a kick to the head and then their head stamped on? Just for shits and giggles like?

Whatever had happened before, the incident was over. There is no "context" where we should accept that our police can just put the boot in on a subdued and restrained prisoner.

jcdenton08 · Jul 30, 2024

rippleman said:
So you would be happy for everybody who has resisted arrest but has then been subdued, restrained and presents no threat or danger to the officers or the public to get a kick to the head and then their head stamped on? Just for shits and giggles like?

Whatever had happened before, the incident was over. There is no "context" where we should accept that our police can just put the boot in on a subdued and restrained prisoner.

Hadn’t been restrained, just for the record. Shown clearly in the videos. He had been on the floor a few seconds, no handcuffs or policeman on top of him.

Kinky Gerbil · Jul 30, 2024

Baldseagull said:
Proportionate force.
See Tony Martin, and many others who have gone OTT, the law applies to coppers too.

rippleman said:
So you would be happy for everybody who has resisted arrest but has then been subdued, restrained and presents no threat or danger to the officers or the public to get a kick to the head and then their head stamped on? Just for shits and giggles like?

Whatever had happened before, the incident was over. There is no "context" where we should accept that our police can just put the boot in on a subdued and restrained prisoner.

He hadn't been cuffed and restrained, how do you know or more importantly the police there know he wasn't going to get back up?

Our police don't just boot prisoners, we have had some tragic incidents over the years that involve the police, but they are very rare.

What shit and giggles did the police officers get from the incident?

Berty23 · Jul 30, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Another one with egg on their face.

Awaits apology.

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