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[Football] Everton, will they ever learn?



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Milano

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I know it's only on BBC Gossip but Everton are appartently being told Braithwaite would stay but wants them to match the £160k a week that Utd were supposedly offering him, which would be quadrupliing his wages.
Surely after the financial mismangement of the last few years that club won't actually be stupid enough do that?
As for the player, he's been around for about 5 minutes, how on earth can he justify that request? If his agent is trying to use Utd's offer as the benchmark then on that basis we could offer him £200k a week but Everton a £1m fee, they'd reject it, which then makes our £200k a week offer irrelevent.
Agents are killing footie, but we already knew that.
 






JBizzle

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Milano said:
I know it's only on BBC Gossip but Everton are appartently being told Braithwaite would stay but wants them to match the £160k a week that Utd were supposedly offering him, which would be quadrupliing his wages.
Surely after the financial mismangement of the last few years that club won't actually be stupid enough do that?
As for the player, he's been around for about 5 minutes, how on earth can he justify that request? If his agent is trying to use Utd's offer as the benchmark then on that basis we could offer him £200k a week but Everton a £1m fee, they'd reject it, which then makes our £200k a week offer irrelevent.
Agents are killing footie, but we already knew that.
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He can justify it because he's been offered it elsewhere so that's his perceived worth.

I've said it before, agents are paid to do what the players ask. This is nothing more than the continued rise in players knowing their value in the food chain. Gone are the days when a kid can get railroaded into a 5-year, £250-a-week deal by a big personality, old school manager.

I don't like agents particularly, but their job is to protect the interests of their client (who is paying them a substantial sum to do just that). The problem isn't Branthwaite or his agents to solve, it's the clubs. United are just as stupid to offer that money and Everton would be to negotiate on those terms.
 










GT49er

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JBizzle said:
He can justify it because he's been offered it elsewhere so that's his perceived worth.

I've said it before, agents are paid to do what the players ask. This is nothing more than the continued rise in players knowing their value in the food chain. Gone are the days when a kid can get railroaded into a 5-year, £250-a-week deal by a big personality, old school manager.

I don't like agents particularly, but their job is to protect the interests of their client (who is paying them a substantial sum to do just that). The problem isn't Branthwaite or his agents to solve, it's the clubs. United are just as stupid to offer that money and Everton would be to negotiate on those terms.
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If it was the players who had to pay the agents out of their own pockets I wouldn't mind so much - but it's not the players, is it. The clubs have to foot that bill, as well as paying obscene wages.
How much have Brighton paid to agents in recent years? It's all in the accounts somewhere, and there are experts on here who will know the answer.
 


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GT49er said:
If it was the players who had to pay the agents out of their own pockets I wouldn't mind so much - but it's not the players, is it. The clubs have to foot that bill, as well as paying obscene wages.
How much have Brighton paid to agents in recent years? It's all in the accounts somewhere, and there are experts on here who will know the answer.
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The clubs pay them because they do work for the clubs too.
 




el punal

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Milano said:
I know it's only on BBC Gossip but Everton are appartently being told Braithwaite would stay but wants them to match the £160k a week that Utd were supposedly offering him, which would be quadrupliing his wages.
Surely after the financial mismangement of the last few years that club won't actually be stupid enough do that?
As for the player, he's been around for about 5 minutes, how on earth can he justify that request? If his agent is trying to use Utd's offer as the benchmark then on that basis we could offer him £200k a week but Everton a £1m fee, they'd reject it, which then makes our £200k a week offer irrelevent.
Agents are killing footie, but we already knew that.
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It’s Branthwaite by the way. :thumbsup:

Agents do what agents do and unfortunately they are greedy leeches living off the success of their clients (players). Having said that if you were headhunted by a firm who were going to quadruple your wages you’d be hard pushed to turn it down. Branthwaite in this case is saying to Everton I would like to stay but can you match their offer as it’s too good to turn down. There is no room for sentiment in football except with the fans.
 


beorhthelm

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JBizzle said:
He can justify it because he's been offered it elsewhere so that's his perceived worth.

I've said it before, agents are paid to do what the players ask. This is nothing more than the continued rise in players knowing their value in the food chain. Gone are the days when a kid can get railroaded into a 5-year, £250-a-week deal by a big personality, old school manager.

I don't like agents particularly, but their job is to protect the interests of their client (who is paying them a substantial sum to do just that). The problem isn't Branthwaite or his agents to solve, it's the clubs. United are just as stupid to offer that money and Everton would be to negotiate on those terms.
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agree to a point, agents get a cut of the deal from the clubs not the player. they are incentivised to get the very best deal for the player but the player doesn't have to pay for it.

irrelevant though, it's for the clubs to curtail spending. i can understand wanting to pay top £ for the very top marquee players, but cant fathom why they've let themselves end up paying so much for mediocrity.
 






JBizzle

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GT49er said:
If it was the players who had to pay the agents out of their own pockets I wouldn't mind so much - but it's not the players, is it. The clubs have to foot that bill, as well as paying obscene wages.
How much have Brighton paid to agents in recent years? It's all in the accounts somewhere, and there are experts on here who will know the answer.
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I agree on that point, but they still work for the players. Whomever pays them it built into any transfer. My understanding is that agents get a standing fee from the players and the transfer fee cuts are essentially "bonuses"
beorhthelm said:
agree to a point, agents get a cut of the deal from the clubs not the player. they are incentivised to get the very best deal for the player but the player doesn't have to pay for it.

irrelevant though, it's for the clubs to curtail spending. i can understand wanting to pay top £ for the very top marquee players, but cant fathom why they've let themselves end up paying so much for mediocrity.
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Totally agree on this too, especially the 2nd piece. The clubs have allowed themselves to get into this position and are absolutely there to be taken for a ride
 


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el punal said:
It’s Branthwaite by the way. :thumbsup:

Agents do what agents do and unfortunately they are greedy leeches living off the success of their clients (players). Having said that if you were headhunted by a firm who were going to quadruple your wages you’d be hard pushed to turn it down. Branthwaite in this case is saying to Everton I would like to stay but can you match their offer as it’s too good to turn down. There is no room for sentiment in football except with the fans.
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He's not turning it down though is he. He's under contract and the buying club haven't met the required buy out so he's going nowhere. So the third party contract offer is actually irrelevent as he can't accept it.
I'm under contract too, most people are, the difference is that most people are under a 1 or 3 month rolling contract (which is all a 'full time' contract actualy is) so if a better offer comes along we can pursue it in near real time, an EPL player generally can't.
If Everton do this then they are crazy, so probably will.......
 


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JBizzle said:
He can justify it because he's been offered it elsewhere so that's his perceived worth.

I've said it before, agents are paid to do what the players ask. This is nothing more than the continued rise in players knowing their value in the food chain. Gone are the days when a kid can get railroaded into a 5-year, £250-a-week deal by a big personality, old school manager.

I don't like agents particularly, but their job is to protect the interests of their client (who is paying them a substantial sum to do just that). The problem isn't Branthwaite or his agents to solve, it's the clubs. United are just as stupid to offer that money and Everton would be to negotiate on those terms.
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Yeah, not sure what the agent's done wrong there. If a player is worth £160k a week (and if Man U want to pay it, that's what he's worth) then the problem is Everton undervaluing him. So they pay the extra (which is pretty much what Ipswich did with McKenna) or they let him go (which is what Brighton have done with Bissouma, White, Mac, Caceido, Cucu etc). So, if Everton don't want to pay the player his worth, they cash in - and when Brighton do it, it's seen as an example of how well run the club is.

Surely, this part of normal. everyday life. I've had employees come to me and say "I've been offered a salary of x% more by Acme Corporation, can you match that". And if we want to keep him/her, we agree to a pay rise. If we don't, we just say "Off you pop". It must happen hundreds of times a week in workplaces up and down the country - this is just on a bigger scale.
 




Dorset Seagull

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Milano said:
He's not turning it down though is he. He's under contract and the buying club haven't met the required buy out so he's going nowhere. So the third party contract offer is actually irrelevent as he can't accept it.
I'm under contract too, most people are, the difference is that most people are under a 1 or 3 month rolling contract (which is all a 'full time' contract actualy is) so if a better offer comes along we can pursue it in near real time, an EPL player generally can't.
If Everton do this then they are crazy, so probably will.......
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Absolutely this. He was happy to take the current contract at the current wage. Everton have invested time and money in him to make him the player he is. Yes they will reap the rewards with a transfer fee eventually but until then they pay him the agreed wage.
 




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Couldn't Be Hyypia said:
In ad agencies (my world), if you give someone a payrise to keep them in the company, they typically last another 6 months before leaving.
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Then you're generally not paying the market rate. People don't move for less money (generally speaking).

I agree that there are other possibilities. People could work for less money for a job closer to home to work at home more often but the vast majority of the time it's either more money or a more senior position (or both).
 


B-right-on

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GT49er said:
If it was the players who had to pay the agents out of their own pockets I wouldn't mind so much - but it's not the players, is it. The clubs have to foot that bill, as well as paying obscene wages.
How much have Brighton paid to agents in recent years? It's all in the accounts somewhere, and there are experts on here who will know the answer.
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Well the PL as a total laid out nearly £410,000,000 last season.

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2 years ago it was nearly half at £272m

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Gone even more nuts for the last couple of years

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kevo

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Gwylan said:
Then you're generally not paying the market rate. People don't move for less money (generally speaking).

I agree that there are other possibilities. People could work for less money for a job closer to home to work at home more often but the vast majority of the time it's either more money or a more senior position (or both).
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No. These are industry stats, not my agency. If you have persuaded someone to stay by paying them more, they tend to leave quite soon because mentally, they have decided to move on.

This did sometimes happen in my business, even though we benchmarked salaries to the industry standards and paid great bonuses.

I suppose I was wondering if footballers are the same. Once they have been approached, even if they stay, are they more than likely to move on quite soon? I don't know the answer and can think of examples of both happening. And perhaps footballers are better at recognising that they are just in it for the money. Maybe salaried staff in other industries could learn from that?
 


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