- Oct 17, 2008
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I mean, yes she was obviously right, but Hilary Clinton had a shocking campaign in truth. I don’t think it was the fact she was a woman personally, I think it was the fact she was dreadful
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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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Michele Obama is a cool choice but how about Dr Rachel Levine who would be a great fit to oppose the misogynistic , ageing ,dinosaur relic that is Donald Trump
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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i've not really got a good answer this, it seems she's just not gone down well in political circles including Democrats. not that she's terrible, more very "meh", not stood out in her office, not made any positive impressions.
The Fifth Column
Lazy mug
You've made the same point twice now with no takers, going for the hat-trick?
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,958
Im not sure Harris is up to it?
All the polling presently says the only candidate who would trounce Trump is Michelle Obama. She may not want it, but I hope she does it for one term only, the % gap in polling is considerable if she were to run, hopefully it would enable the Dems to take both houses, then they could ensure the corrupt supreme court doing Trumps bidding is re-balanced fairly, and enable the legal due processes against the Orange seditionist Lunatic to play out, without the corrupt supreme court trying to assist him.
If its a fair independent legal process, without interference, I'd guess Trump will end in jail, the US will retain its democracy and the rest of the world can take a deep sigh of relief.
the stakes are too high to gamble on Harris
Not sure what you count as a "taker" but his legacy will be one of supporting and facilitating apartheid and horrendous war crimes. It needs to be pointed out even if inconvenient to you.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
Well well well.
Who’d-a-thunk it.
Put your feet up Joe, enjoy a retirement.
Where’s his NSC’s Biggest Fan? I’ve not seen him around.
Who’d-a-thunk it.
Put your feet up Joe, enjoy a retirement.
Where’s his NSC’s Biggest Fan? I’ve not seen him around.
- Oct 12, 2022
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It looks to me that KH is the only game in town, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s been underestimated.
America does seem to hate a powerful woman, half of the woke nonsense that the right are so obsessed by is rednecks upset because they can’t beat their wives any more.
Sadly I believe America is absolutely stupid enough to vote Trump in again, and wallow in four more years of horseshit wondering why things are only getting better for people with the surname “Trump”
I still make Trump the favourite, but I will be interested to see how any future debates pan out. There will be a stark optical contrast between a geriatric Trump and KH, and now it won’t be in Trump’s favour.
America does seem to hate a powerful woman, half of the woke nonsense that the right are so obsessed by is rednecks upset because they can’t beat their wives any more.
Sadly I believe America is absolutely stupid enough to vote Trump in again, and wallow in four more years of horseshit wondering why things are only getting better for people with the surname “Trump”
I still make Trump the favourite, but I will be interested to see how any future debates pan out. There will be a stark optical contrast between a geriatric Trump and KH, and now it won’t be in Trump’s favour.
I dont disagree with much of that, but its Biden and the party that have hidden her away, no one knows if she is any good, other than a few bits here and there, in which she does not look great
- Oct 12, 2022
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We’re about to find out. TBF most vice-presidents have been largely anonymous, with the possible exception of Dan Quayle and his inability to spell potato. Which was probably the inciting incident for all future VPs being hidden away.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
Absolutely insane post.
- Oct 12, 2022
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I live for your approval.
Good old Uncle Sam
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
#prayforthis
- Oct 20, 2022
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A very good decision by Biden - said weeks and weeks ago, he should pull out. (In fact said way back in 2022, that he shouldn’t run again). Just rather annoyed that he left it so late to step aside. I agree at the moment, KH is the most available candidate and Biden has endorsed her as such - but the truth is, the Dems never would have agreed to her being on top of the ticket at the start of this campaign.
There are several potential Senators including Mark Kelly, who could claim the swing vote needed to beat Trump. However there are also many pissed off Biden supporters who feel that Biden was ‘edged out’ by ranking members- they will be even more pissed off if the leaders of the Dems then pass over Harris - the first Black women candidate in American history.
I don’t think KH is the best candidate on a number of levels, as @peterward says, Michele Obama would be a stronger Black woman candidate - I’m not sure America is ready for either of them though - but realistically she might be all they have.
Time is against whoever steps up as an alternative to a Harris candidacy and that’s a problem.
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StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
Imo there’s no viable Democratic possibility.
No one of any real seriousness would want to step up against Trump at this stage - a week after an assassination attempt, a massively galvanized Republican Party and voters, weeks after the collapse of Biden and to some extent, the Democratic Party since the debate.
Awful polls for Harris over the past 3.5 years. The best chance the Dems had realistically was RFK Jr, but he’s long out, unless they entice him back in.
So it’s an almost guaranteed forfeit by putting Harris out there.
Plead for RFK to join the ranks.
A Hail-Mary play to get Michelle Obama in the game.
No one of any real seriousness would want to step up against Trump at this stage - a week after an assassination attempt, a massively galvanized Republican Party and voters, weeks after the collapse of Biden and to some extent, the Democratic Party since the debate.
Awful polls for Harris over the past 3.5 years. The best chance the Dems had realistically was RFK Jr, but he’s long out, unless they entice him back in.
So it’s an almost guaranteed forfeit by putting Harris out there.
Plead for RFK to join the ranks.
A Hail-Mary play to get Michelle Obama in the game.
At some point, Democrat voters will need to decide whether it's more important to have their own personal choice lead the party ....or to get behind whoever their party selects, and beat Trump.